Windows 7 Forums
Welcome to Windows 7 Forums. Our forum is dedicated to helping you find support and solutions for any problems regarding your Windows 7 PC be it Dell, HP, Acer, Asus or a custom build. We also provide an extensive Windows 7 tutorial section that covers a wide range of tips and tricks.


Windows 7: Odd delay before control panel, programs start in Windows 7

26 Jul 2011   #21
wombatpete

Windows 7 Pro SP1 64 bit
 
 

...and can/should I uninstall the SDK, btw?


My System SpecsSystem Spec
.
26 Jul 2011   #22
wombatpete

Windows 7 Pro SP1 64 bit
 
 

Actually, I should say that - having set the registry delay to 1 - I exited Comodo and closed Opera... and there's still a palpable delay opening the control panel as a menu.
Any thoughts? Or am I chalking it up to the HDD?
Let me try doing that and opening a program...
My System SpecsSystem Spec
26 Jul 2011   #23
wombatpete

Windows 7 Pro SP1 64 bit
 
 

Delay there, too. In each case, certainly, a bit shorter than it was, I admit.
Probably the HDD, then, right?
My System SpecsSystem Spec
.

26 Jul 2011   #24
cluberti

Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

Most likely. If you want to get a trace with Opera closed and Comodo removed, I can take a look. Otherwise, I'd focus on getting your hard disk "house" in order .
My System SpecsSystem Spec
26 Jul 2011   #25
wombatpete

Windows 7 Pro SP1 64 bit
 
 

I'll do the trace - why not?!!!

Also, this message was left as a "tail" on the last page:
Fascinating. I would have thought there was something being queried that eventually just timed out, allowing things to continue. But I suppose not.
Thank you, sir.
I'll test the browser issue; that's easy enough.
The HDD was destined for upgrade, anyway.
What about the firewall/antivirus? Do you here have a recommendation on this? Is there a consensus?
Thanks again, it's the first actually answer I've gotten in a lot of searching over this week.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
26 Jul 2011   #26
wombatpete

Windows 7 Pro SP1 64 bit
 
 

OK, I did one trace, having exited opera and comodo (I'm not sure whether that really terminated all comodo functions, but we'll see).
And I first called up the control panel as a menu, and then called up openwriter.
They really were MUCH faster this time.
But let me post the file, just in case.
It's here: NewSlow.7z
My System SpecsSystem Spec
26 Jul 2011   #27
wombatpete

Windows 7 Pro SP1 64 bit
 
 

As I reread this, I come back to this part:

Quote:
cmdagent.exe is causing an inordinate amount of file I/O (specifically QueryInfo calls) and WMI calls during the time that the shell (explorer.exe) is querying the registry for CLSIDs to display information (and what MUI / language to use, etc) to display control panel items. This is approximately 5-6 seconds of delay - this is also exacerbated near the end with opera.exe's file I/O (at close to 100% of the total disk I/O time during this timeframe).
Lenovo's MessageCenter Plus takes 7.9 seconds to initialize once the control panel itself starts to load, which delays the load of the control panel. The control panel finishes loading once MCP loads in 0.3 seconds.
First of all, I'm wondering why the opening of the cntl panel calls up MessageCenter Plus. Is there an obvious logic to that and might it be avoided? It would explain the unchanged part of the delay.
And are you saying that cmdagent.exe is causing an inordinate amount of the file I/O & WMI calls BECAUSE of Opera? Or is this something into the cause of which we (ok, I) should be looking?
Thanks
My System SpecsSystem Spec
27 Jul 2011   #28
cluberti

Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

According to the new trace, it's still showing 5+ seconds to run the dllhost command to open the control panel, but specifically the dllhost.exe is running from wow64 (meaning you must have both 32 and 64bit control panel items). The 32bit control panel is causing part of the delay (it's much easier to see now, for what it's worth), although it also appears that your Intel graphics driver is loading a process every time you try to open it, and I'm wondering if *that* is the 32bit control panel item that is slowing that down. OpenOffice (in this trace) now opens in 5.7 seconds, which is quite good for an application that contains a java bin container.

Note that cmdagent.exe is still loaded and running, and while it is a part of the delay it doesn't appear to be actively attempting to do as much work as before. Ultimately, you still have three things at work here - slow disk access, Comodo is still slowing things down, and it looks like you might want to look at updating your Intel graphics driver and software. I cannot guarantee that updating the Intel software will help the control panel open, but I can at least confirm that's the last holdout, so to speak, in that arena. Also, for 3rd party software like antivirus, antimalware, firewall, etc, these all have what are called filter drivers - additional I/O drivers that sit on the network and/or disk "stack" and access all I/O requests to or from the disk or to or from the network (or both) so as to scan. The only way to get these to go away is to remove the software in question - simply disabling it does nothing to the filter drivers it has installed, and in some cases will cause no perceptable performance difference whatsoever.



As to your other questions, my recommendations are:
  • Use the Windows firewall - it's lightweight, does a very good job of blocking traffic, and while it doesn't have all of the OCD configurations a lot of the 3rd party applications have, it's also far better performance-wise and isn't going to do things like this to your box.
  • Use a lightweight (and free) A/V product, something like Microsoft Security Essentials or AVAST, and my recommendations are in that order. I prefer MSE because it is lightweight and gets out of the way, but some folks that like a bit more feedback may prefer AVAST. Pay antivirus in today's day and age isn't really necessary except for very specific situations, and most of these pay packages are heavy and slow (not all, but most).
  • Consider whether or not you need all of those Lenovo add-on applications and services - they're not known for being fast or stable, so if you don't need one (or two, or three... ), uninstall. They're not helping anything, at the very least.
  • Defragment *manually* on a regular basis, at least once a month. The inbox defragmentation task in Windows 7 is much better than no task at all, but if you're a heavy user of your PC it may not be sufficient. Given the way the disk "looks" in these traces, I'd suggest doing this at least once a month, maybe more frequently.
  • Opera isn't the cause of the I/O in the first trace per se, but the flash control inside of it is. I don't use Opera, so I can't speak to how good (or poor) the flash control is for Opera, but it pretty much stinks for all other browsers so it's likely Adobe's code in Opera isn't so hot either. If you've viewed flash in your browser and notice performance issues afterwards, consider the possible source and close your browser sessions before looking elsewhere for performance issues.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
27 Jul 2011   #29
wombatpete

Windows 7 Pro SP1 64 bit
 
 
A million thanks!!!!!!!!!!!

Cluberti, having done much of what you've suggested and played around with the services, the improvement is staggering.
Can't thank you enough!

I do wonder whether, since it's "fast enough," there's an issue or two here that could be resolved that I'm ignoring; I'd rather figure it all out and resolve them.. but I'm going to see whether I may be able to do that myself before bugging you further.

Thanks yet again for your help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My System SpecsSystem Spec
28 Jul 2011   #30
cluberti

Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

Fantastic .
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Reply

 Odd delay before control panel, programs start in Windows 7




Thread Tools




Similar help and support threads
Thread Forum
Programs Missing From Control Panel Programs List
Is there any way to bring back programs that have disappeared from the programs list in the control panel? One day I realized most of my programs had disappeared from the list (roughly 10 or so remaining from the usual 50-60). This occurred after I had downloaded something. I ran Norton,...
System Security
Programs Missing From Control Panel Programs List
So yesterday I noticed that programs are missing from my control panels program list. Right now there is only 19 items and I use to have probably over 60. Notable missing are all my AVS4You and Topaz Labs software. Also anything with the name Windows is not listed. I can't think of anything I...
System Security
Question about Windows 7 Control Panel\Programs\Programs and Features
I have Windows 7 Prof x64. My question is, when displaing all software installed and choosing more columns of information to display, they don't stay. For example, choosing Location column. Getting out of the installed programs list and then returning to it, the Location column is gone. Is...
General Discussion
IE9 won't start; doesn't appear in control panel/programs to uninstall
IE9 won't start; doesn't appear in control panel/programs to uninstall Running Win 7 Home 32bit I believe the installation is corrupt. I tried reinstalling but the error was that I had a newer version installed . Is there a way to thoroughly remove IE? Any tips appreciated Kevin
Browsers & Mail
control panel programs
I have installed a program and it put an icon and description in the control panel. I have now uninstalled it . and it is still showing in control panel . how can I delete it from there ??? . thanks :huh:
Software


Our Sites

Site Links

About Us

Find Us

Windows 7 Forums is an independent web site and has not been authorized, sponsored, or otherwise approved by Microsoft Corporation. "Windows 7" and related materials are trademarks of Microsoft Corp.

Designer Media Ltd

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 22:25.
Twitter Facebook Google+ Seven Forums iOS App Seven Forums Android App