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Windows 7: Windows7 Minimalist RAM question.

19 Oct 2009   #11
Tews

64-bit Windows 8.1 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sup3rsprt View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by omeganuepsilon View Post
When I run minimally, I can run about 600mb at idle.(I started using the sidebar so I have a network monitor, + a custom theme).

I was wondering if Windows 7, run without super fetch and indexing can approach this.
Does anyone else have trouble understanding my screenshot that clearly shows Windows 7 way below 600MB memory usage?
Antism: You can lead a horse to water, but that doesnt make him a duck..

Some people only see what they want to see...


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19 Oct 2009   #12
sup3rsprt

XP, Seven, 2008R2
 
 

omega,

At this point I'm just going to recommend that you try out Windows 7 for yourself. Google for the Windows 7 Enterprise Trial.

but, in the end, you are going to come to the same conclusion as we did.
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19 Oct 2009   #13
H2SO4

Win7x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by omeganuepsilon View Post
I want to know X, so you respond with Y, Z, and tell me that I shouldn't even want X, but still don't tell me much about X.
It's because X demonstrates a lack of understanding which may become harmful to your real goals. This is what you're asking, roughly translated:

"In order to be fast, I need my car to be as light as possible. Therefore, I'm planning to save weight by ripping out the turbocharger. Please let me know what weight savings are possible along those lines."

If you want to have an "intelligent looking debate", you've come to the right place. However, you need to participate.
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19 Oct 2009   #14
omeganuepsilon

Vista
 
 

What I see in the screenshot is a system that uses about 30% of it's total memory.

I conceded that as fact, even noted that it's near about what I want, but still not the 20% I can achieve with Vista.

My 600mb requirement is only relative to a system with 3gig of memory, not a seperate system with 512.

You can lead a horse to water, but if it turns out there's dead animals and piles of feces in it, no one will drink from it, lease of all the horse.

You're leading me to irrelevant information, and telling me what I "should" want windows 7 to do(as a group of responders), and doing so in a snide a way as possible. Only after much of that, it does come out that :

It depends on how much RAM you have. Refer to my first post.

Where in the first post is still irrelevant to my querry.

Couldn't you have just posted that first bolded sentence right away?

No, you had to go the route where you play a geek sheek pompous asshole.
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19 Oct 2009   #15
Rishone

Win 7 64, OSX Snow Leopard
 
 

Dude, i think you want to know the idle RAM usage by Win7

So, for me its around 500-550MB on normal start (with ESET Smart Security4 + 4 Gadgets + Aero and all) And i have only 2GB of RAM

Win 7 performs much much better than Win Vista, check it out, you wont be disappointed
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19 Oct 2009   #16
sup3rsprt

XP, Seven, 2008R2
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by omeganuepsilon View Post
What I see in the screenshot is a system that uses about 30% of it's total memory.
That's 30% of five hundred and twelve Megabytes

Do you think that a system with 4 or 8 GB of RAM is going to struggle when a system with 512 MB doesn't?

I fail to see your logic.
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19 Oct 2009   #17
omeganuepsilon

Vista
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by H2SO4 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by omeganuepsilon View Post
I want to know X, so you respond with Y, Z, and tell me that I shouldn't even want X, but still don't tell me much about X.
It's because X demonstrates a lack of understanding which may become harmful to your real goals. This is what you're asking, roughly translated:

"In order to be fast, I need my car to be as light as possible. Therefore, I'm planning to save weight by ripping out the turbocharger. Please let me know what weight savings are possible along those lines."

If you want to have an "intelligent looking debate", you've come to the right place. However, you need to participate.
X Is the number I achieve in Vista, which I've benched with and without Superfetch. Superfetch proves to cause degraded performance after program start up.

No where do I really infer that memory use has anything to do with speed, but rather directly typed that it involves application stability.

What you're saying is "You don't need free memory, because even Vista frees it up just fine".

In my case, it doesn't. Even if it did, if Windows 7, at bare minimum operates at a larger number than my Vista does at bare minimum, my querry is still legitimate. The more ram, the more capable my app.

We're not talking winamp or something here, we are talking 3d rendering, where it can take hours of all system resources(CPU, RAM, page file, etc) running at 100% to render a photorealistic image. A situation in which an OS trying to do anything automatically, can[and does] ruin the work or time invested in the render alone.

Vista does just that when Superfetch is on. I already summed that up.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sup3rsprt View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by omeganuepsilon View Post
What I see in the screenshot is a system that uses about 30% of it's total memory.
That's 30% of five hundred and twelve Megabytes

Do you think that a system with 4 or 8 GB of RAM is going to struggle when a system with 512 MB doesn't?

I fail to see your logic.
A system with 512 of ram couldn't even open some of the apps/files I use. Aside from demonstrating the 1/3 ratio, the point is completely useless.

The system isn't the problem. This "automatically freeing of memory" is. It doesn't work. Maybe it's not fast enough, I don't know, I don't care. I don't use it, period.

The point is, that the more available ram, the more stable/capable my apps become. If 7 can offer me more or an equal amount, I'll use it(if just to get rid of buggy/annoying vista). If not, I won't.

Apparently, it can't beat my 20%, it's limit is 30%, regardless of how much ram one has. You did say it was a fresh install. Does that # fall if superfetch is turned off? Anyone?

You all don't have to even believe me, but you don't have to preach to me either. A simple answer will suffice.

If 7 can't compete, I'd be better off upgrading memory and/or Vista 64, or even reverting to XP, though that could be a trial.
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19 Oct 2009   #18
sup3rsprt

XP, Seven, 2008R2
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by omeganuepsilon View Post
Apparently, it can't beat my 20%, it's limit is 30%, regardless of how much ram one has. You did say it was a fresh install.
Yes I can beat your 20% all day long. Like I said, I hadn't even tweaked anything. In fact, with 4 or 8GB of RAM it probably doesn't even need tweaking anyways. After all, it already works OK in 512 MB. Of course it isn't going to run intensive 3D modeling apps in 512MB of RAM. That was never the point.
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19 Oct 2009   #19
omeganuepsilon

Vista
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sup3rsprt View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by omeganuepsilon View Post
Apparently, it can't beat my 20%, it's limit is 30%, regardless of how much ram one has. You did say it was a fresh install.
Yes I can beat your 20% all day long. Like I said, I hadn't even tweaked anything. In fact, with 4 or 8GB of RAM it probably doesn't even need tweaking anyways. After all, it already works OK in 512 MB. Of course it isn't going to run intensive 3D modeling apps in 512MB of RAM. That was never the point.
But it is my point. It was never about how well 7 performs, but how well(not fast, but well) my apps can peform within 7. The more ram, the more my apps can do. With 32bit limits(current OS, and some of the apps), upgrading ram can be pointless(4gig max(including RAM+Video memory, and whatever else uses those addresses[unclear on that]). That's why freeing up as much as possible is my goal.
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19 Oct 2009   #20
sup3rsprt

XP, Seven, 2008R2
 
 

Realize that Windows core uses a similar amount of RAM no matter how much you have. So, with 8GB of RAM you will have loads and loads of more available memory than I do with a 512MB machine.

Sure, the more RAM you have, the more it will allocate to help speed things up. But it doesn't change the fact that memory will be freed if/when it's needed by other applications.

By the way, if you have some benchmarks proving that superfetch does indeed slow your programs down, I'd be glad to take a look.

But please only use Windows 7 for the test. As I said earlier, there is a free trial available from Microsoft. Have fun.
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