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Windows 7: New Hard Drive and Windows 7 = slower?

12 Nov 2009   #11
SquonkSC

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Frostmourne View Post
I'll buy an SSD when 1TB becomes affordable. Die out? Not for a looooong time.
It will go faster than you think.

Prices are already a quarter of what they were the same time last year.
It's like how it went with VHS, CD, DVD etc..

First you have the early adopters who buy them at exorbitant prices.
Then they get a bit cheaper, and more people buy them, they get cheaper yet again, and even more people buy them.
It's an accelerating process.

SSD is in fact much cheaper to produce than regular disks.
The only reason they are more expensive is because they are produced in smaller numbers.

A turning point will soon be reached, where the SSD will be so affordable, nobody will want to buy the regular disks, but rather pay 50 bucks more for a SSD.

That will be the nail on the coffin of the platter disk.

By the end of 2011, platter disks are a thing of the past.

Mark my words.

Greetings,

Michel


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12 Nov 2009   #12
SquonkSC

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by se7ensmatrix121 View Post
My main issue is not the theoretical 3GB/s, it's that my new HDD is not performing to the speed of the 4 year old IDE HDD that it was replacing. The new HDD is sluggish in spots the old HDD was not. Graphic design programs like Photoshop in 64 bit would load files in roughly a few seconds with swift, on the fly changes made instantly, where the new HDD stutters over itself to keep up on the same files.

On a side note, in slot 3, the HDD is now listed as ATA channel 0. I am still not seeing a change in the speeds. Slot 1 cannot be used as the GPU sits directly over it, and moving the GPU to the other PCI-E slot will drop it to an x8 performance.

Hi again se7ensmatrix121,

You haven't told how fast or how slow it is in Mb/sec.
That makes it hard to judge what;s the problem.

I have a ton of experience with harddisks and a few things I can tell you.

First, Samsung disks are faster than WD, about 8 to 10%.

Even if it's an IDE or Sata makes no difference, because like I said the fact the disk is Sata, doesn't make it faster.

IDE UDMA 6 or otherwise named ATA 133 can handle up to 133mb/s

Since the construction properties of a platter disk limits it's maximum output,
the method of connecting won't magically make it run faster.
An average platter disk will always deliver between 60 and 80Mb/s, period.

Having said that, you say it's sluggish.
It shouldn't be sluggish.

It might be some driver or setting holding it down, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if the disk is just a Monday morning drive.

About 5% of all new disks are badly constructed, and die in the first three months.
About 2% are DOA. Dead on arrival.

It could be the drive has some bad sectors that have to be read multiple times to get data from it.
It could be a rotten cache chip.

But it could also be windows accessing the disk excessively.
Try to find out if some process or service is accessing the disk constantly.


Good luck.
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12 Nov 2009   #13
se7ensmatrix121

Windows 7 x64
 
 

As requested, I managed (just barely) to slide the cable into the top, SATA_1 slot. I'm noticing minimal performance differences from the way it was before, and slightly faster speeds with Photoshop.

Boot up times are minimal as always with my settings, so I do not see a change with this. I suppose this will be as good as it gets. I'll keep messing around with other programs to see if I notice a difference.
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12 Nov 2009   #14
Frostmourne

Windows 7 Ultimate x86-64
 
 

Can you test the hard drive on another pc?
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12 Nov 2009   #15
se7ensmatrix121

Windows 7 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SquonkSC View Post
Hi again se7ensmatrix121,

You haven't told how fast or how slow it is in Mb/sec.
That makes it hard to judge what;s the problem.
-I'm unsure what the Samsung HDD MB/sec, however, from the last run of HDTune, I can tell you the info on the WD Black. Min: 43.3 MB/Sec, Max: 103.7 MB/Sec, Average: 79.9 MB/Sec with Access Time: 12.6 ms, and Burst of 132.1 MB/Sec


Having said that, you say it's sluggish.
It shouldn't be sluggish.
It might be some driver or setting holding it down, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if the disk is just a Monday morning drive.
-I have checked into all of the drivers, making sure they are all correct, up to date, and viable for Win7, but these are all the same drivers that where used with the previous HDD as well.


About 5% of all new disks are badly constructed, and die in the first three months.
About 2% are DOA. Dead on arrival.
-Ironically, the first WD Black that I purchased was DOA. Refused to format by any means what so ever. I guess that should have been the first sign that I should have went to a different HDD huh?

It could be the drive has some bad sectors that have to be read multiple times to get data from it.
It could be a rotten cache chip.
-I was going to run WD's DLG program to see if there where bad sectors on the HDD. Perhaps the next step I take?


But it could also be windows accessing the disk excessively.
Try to find out if some process or service is accessing the disk constantly.
-Unsure on how to find this information, but hopefully you can steer me that direction?


Good luck.
Responses are in red. Thank you for taking the time to respond to me.
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12 Nov 2009   #16
se7ensmatrix121

Windows 7 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Frostmourne View Post
Can you test the hard drive on another pc?
This is the only PC that I have at the moment. My GF's PC is back at the shop for a manufacturer defect on the MoBo.
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12 Nov 2009   #17
Frostmourne

Windows 7 Ultimate x86-64
 
 

Update your chipset driver which will most likely update the controller drivers.
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12 Nov 2009   #18
se7ensmatrix121

Windows 7 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Frostmourne View Post
Update your chipset driver which will most likely update the controller drivers.
Update the Chipset again? I recently (yesterday) installed the BIOS update for my computer, jumping it up to 1.A0 from 1.70. MSI is indicating that 1.A0 is the most recent.
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12 Nov 2009   #19
Frostmourne

Windows 7 Ultimate x86-64
 
 

Its not the BIOS, its the chipset of your mobo.
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12 Nov 2009   #20
se7ensmatrix121

Windows 7 x64
 
 

How will I do this? I'm good with computers, but not all aspects.
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