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Windows 7: New Hard Drive and Windows 7 = slower?

12 Nov 2009   #21
ignatzatsonic

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I owned a Samsung 2014N 200 gig drive and liked it very much. I saved the stats on it from HD Tune. I would guess it is representative of the original poster's old drive and can be used for comparison to the figures he quotes for the new WD drive:

Samsung 2014N

Transfer rate minimum 8.0
Transfer rate maximum 57.8
Average 47.7

Access time 15.5
Burst rate 79.8




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12 Nov 2009   #22
SquonkSC

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by se7ensmatrix121 View Post

-I'm unsure what the Samsung HDD MB/sec, however, from the last run of HDTune, I can tell you the info on the WD Black. Min: 43.3 MB/Sec, Max: 103.7 MB/Sec, Average: 79.9 MB/Sec with Access Time: 12.6 ms, and Burst of 132.1 MB/Sec
79.9MB/sec, that is an excellent average. It's at the high end of the range.

12.6ms access time is a bit on the slow side, but shouldn't be really noticeable.

Samsung is about 8.9ms access time. That could explain for a tad of sluggishness on WD's part.

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But it could also be windows accessing the disk excessively.
Try to find out if some process or service is accessing the disk constantly.

-Unsure on how to find this information, but hopefully you can steer me that direction?
1. ctrl alt delete to go into taskmanager

2. go to the performance tab

3. at the bottom there's a button "source control" or something like that. (I'm on Dutch OS)

4. In source control click on "Disk" tab.

5. Go fiddle around with the different views to find out which processes are accessing the disk.

It looks a bit complicated at first, but you'll figure it out.

I will check back tomorrow.
4:15 am over here, going to bed.

Greetings
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12 Nov 2009   #23
se7ensmatrix121

Windows 7 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SquonkSC View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by se7ensmatrix121 View Post

-I'm unsure what the Samsung HDD MB/sec, however, from the last run of HDTune, I can tell you the info on the WD Black. Min: 43.3 MB/Sec, Max: 103.7 MB/Sec, Average: 79.9 MB/Sec with Access Time: 12.6 ms, and Burst of 132.1 MB/Sec
79.9MB/sec, that is an excellent average. It's at the high end of the range.

12.6ms access time is a bit on the slow side, but shouldn't be really noticeable.

Samsung is about 8.9ms access time. That could explain for a tad of sluggishness on WD's part.

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Quote:

But it could also be windows accessing the disk excessively.
Try to find out if some process or service is accessing the disk constantly.

-Unsure on how to find this information, but hopefully you can steer me that direction?
1. ctrl alt delete to go into taskmanager

2. go to the performance tab

3. at the bottom there's a button "source control" or something like that. (I'm on Dutch OS)

4. In source control click on "Disk" tab.

5. Go fiddle around with the different views to find out which processes are accessing the disk.

It looks a bit complicated at first, but you'll figure it out.

I will check back tomorrow.
4:15 am over here, going to bed.

Greetings
Seems the only thing taking up the write on the HD is System at the moment. It juggles between 7,000 - 30,000 B/Sec (Averaging 18,000 B/Sec).
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13 Nov 2009   #24
SquonkSC

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by se7ensmatrix121 View Post
Seems the only thing taking up the write on the HD is System at the moment. It juggles between 7,000 - 30,000 B/Sec (Averaging 18,000 B/Sec).
So we can rule excessive access out.

I suggest you start checking the disk for surface failures.
It could well be you have some poor sectors on the disk that need re-reading,
and that's what could cause the lag.

You might also consider installing a previous chipset driver, like one build before the last.
The latest isn't always the best. Sometimes new problems are introduced with new drivers.
It's also a way to rule it out as a cause.

Good luck
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13 Nov 2009   #25
se7ensmatrix121

Windows 7 x64
 
 

Well, i'm at a bit of a stand still. I made some progress with Photoshop today, it is no longer crashing, which I take as a good sign. Chipsets have no update from MSI or AMD/ATI. I had to adjust a few things with Photoshop to make it perform, such as adding some tweeks and a full update to insure I had everything current. Going to run WD's DLG on the hard drive and check for faults now.

Thanks to all for the help!
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13 Nov 2009   #26
Frostmourne

Windows 7 Ultimate x86-64
 
 

The chipset is not your mobo manufacturer. It would be from Intel, AMD, or Nvidia.
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13 Nov 2009   #27
se7ensmatrix121

Windows 7 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Frostmourne View Post
The chipset is not your mobo manufacturer. It would be from Intel, AMD, or Nvidia.
I also asked where to find chipset drivers at, and noone was able to give me any help. I appreciate the responses that I'm getting, but if you are saying I need to do something and I say I'm not sure I know how, please help guide me in the right direction.
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13 Nov 2009   #28
nate42nd

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SquonkSC View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by se7ensmatrix121 View Post
I will attempt this, however, I have a feeling it's going to be a losing battle due to the PCI-E x16 slot covering these two ports. I will report back from my phone if there is any update.
Hi se7ensmatrix121,

I'm sorry to disappoint you but there's no way in the world you are going to get 3Gbit/s
That is a theoretical maximum for the Sata II standard, but that applies to the controller, not the disks themselves.

3gbit/s = 384 Mbytes per second and there isn't a "platter" disk in the world that can go that fast.

Somewhere between 60 and 80 Mbyte/s is the max sustained throughput you can get with a single platter disk. And about 128Mbyte/s bursts for very short periods when the disk's cache is read instead of the platters.


Why do they make a 3Gbit/s (384Mbyte/s) standard while no disk can reach that, I hear you think.

Well, for starters the controller standard always has to be ahead of the disk speeds,
so the disks have some headroom, and to allow development of faster disks.
there's no point in making a disk faster than the controller can handle.

Having said that,

The Sata II standard is created with SSD disks in mind.
The newest SSD disks are getting very close to that theoretical maximum.
The fastest to date reads and writes at 260 Mbytes/s.

It won't be long before SSD breaks the 384Mb barrier.
Therefore Sata III is already on it's way, that will be 6Gbit/s (768Mb/s)

Soon SSD will become more affordable and platter disks will die a slowly disappear, just like the floppy disk.

I hope this explains it.
Our good friend Anand gave us a look at the new inteface and how it will perform with "normal" disks.

A little off topic but it's good info on this subject.

AnandTech: Seagate Barracuda XT 2TB: SATA 6Gb/s Performance Preview
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13 Nov 2009   #29
Frostmourne

Windows 7 Ultimate x86-64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by se7ensmatrix121 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Frostmourne View Post
The chipset is not your mobo manufacturer. It would be from Intel, AMD, or Nvidia.
I also asked where to find chipset drivers at, and noone was able to give me any help. I appreciate the responses that I'm getting, but if you are saying I need to do something and I say I'm not sure I know how, please help guide me in the right direction.
What motherboard do you have? Type msinfo32.exe, then file export and upload that .txt file along with a Belarc Advisor report - all in a .zip file and I''ll point you in the right direction.
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13 Nov 2009   #30
se7ensmatrix121

Windows 7 x64
 
 

Here's the info you request. As mentioned in the first post, I have the MS-7388 Board from MSI (K9A2 CF Series), with an AMD Phenom 9750 Processor. This board uses the AMD 790X North Bridge, and a South Bridge 600.
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