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Windows 7: Unstable Win7/Pro x64 - First Post in Wrong Forum Perhaps?

04 Mar 2017   #1
baumgrenze

Win 7 Pro 64
 
 
Unstable Win7/Pro x64 - First Post in Wrong Forum Perhaps?

I am still learning my way around the forum. I can't see how to move a post to a different one. I do not want to get banned for cross-posting or some other inadvertent misbehavior.

I posted this on the General Discussion Forum:

Win7/Pro x64 - Increasingly Unstable - Applications Crash on Save

As he helped me to create a copy of my data disk on he suggested that I should have posted here when I first asked.

Win7/Pro x64 - Booting Very Slow - Cannot Save Files

in the last paragraph of #37 in this thread.

My most recent bit of evidence is that most of my PC must be running 'fine' because I shut down and changed boot drives (I have Win7 on one SSD and Win10 on a second) and Win 10 boots quickly and apparently stably.

When I tried to switch back to Win7, knowing that it would take ~5 minutes to boot, I walked off. When I came back I discovered that it must of automatically moved to chkdsk mode and it was in the process of 'replacing invalid security ID with default security ID for every file.' A quick search here says that my PC is going to be busy for about 24 hours as it completes this process.

Argh!

thanks in advance
baumgrenze


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04 Mar 2017   #2
pbcopter

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1, Windows 8.1 Pro x64, Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

Turn off fast startup in Windows 10. When you shut down Windows 10 with fast startup enabled, it goes into a hibernate like mode that Windows 7 does not understand hence the Chkdsk when you boot to Windows 7.
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04 Mar 2017   #3
johncorosz

Both Windows 7 64 & Windows 10 LTSB
 
 

Quote:
Replacing invalid security id with default security id for file 97.
Replacing invalid security id with default security id for file 98.
Replacing invalid security id with default security id for file 99.

Some 10,000 or so files later it ended but my PC didn't restart automatically.
I pressed the reset button and after that all was hell.

For e.g.

1) My host file entries were not readable by any applications like wamp or firefox or chrome or etc.


2) I could not start some programs like MATLAB because its file also got corrupted.

3) Avira Antivirus does not update because it says Scheduler (sched.exe) has not been started even after starting it from services.msc.

I googled this problem and came to know that my account has been removed from the permissions list of the files (as seen when i saw the properties of the hosts file).

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04 Mar 2017   #4
baumgrenze

Win 7 Pro 64
 
 

Thanks for the suggestion.

I was not explicit enough. Win 10 is on one of my SSD's and Win7 is on the other. I only have one physically connected to the MOBO at any time. I've not tried to understand dual-booting.

Is your suggestion relevant now that I have clarified this point?

From my narrow perspective, that Win10 booted quickly and seemed to run while Win7 is slow and problematic suggests that there is a problem with C:, my boot/system drive. Back on the 28th I did try the 'best known configuration' procedure and it resulted in no improvement.

I installed Win10 when MS absolutely insisted I do so but I've not found time to explore it. My days are only so long and the remainder of my life is rapidly progressing towards the vanishing point.

The invalid security code process finished far more quickly than I anticipated. I still had my ESATA external drive attached and I briefly saw reference to F: which is that drive in the messages that flashed by before I got the request for my PW.

thanks,
baumgrenze
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04 Mar 2017   #5
johncorosz

Both Windows 7 64 & Windows 10 LTSB
 
 

This sounds more like a case of re-installing Windows again.
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04 Mar 2017   #6
baumgrenze

Win 7 Pro 64
 
 

I'm saddened to hear that. It took me most of a month to find and install all the software I use.

Right now I am really missing ZTreeWin and its 'showall' display that can be sorted by name, date, size, etc. You can even log several disks and invoke 'showall' and see where things are. Also powerful is the 'filespec' aspect where *xxx*.exe, for example, finds all the application files containing the string 'xxx' I got hooked on XTree in the 1980's.

I do have a Macrium image I created last August. I suppose it might be worth the $100 to try to restore it after buying the current market equivalent Crucial SSD, a 275GB drive.

Does Win7 keep an accessible log of applications added to a machine that can be sorted by date? That would tell me what I'd need to install to get back up to speed. Am I correct that Windows Update would tell me what I needed to download and install to make Win7 current?

I guess it might be a good idea to create a copy of the drive on my external backup drive, using TestDisk the way jumanji showed me and I used on my data drive.

I had a copy of Crucial Storage Executive but in All Programs I cannot open it. I am told that the drive or network connection the shortcut refers to is not available. Perhaps it got installed on my Data Drive. I have a copy of the contents of that drive on my external backup drive. I could try to download it again. I vaguely recall that the installation was complicated. Am I wrong.

Am I correct that the Minitool Partiton Wizard surface scan technique I used on my spinning data drive does not apply to SSD's?

thanks,
baumgrenze
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04 Mar 2017   #7
pbcopter

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1, Windows 8.1 Pro x64, Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by baumgrenze View Post

Is your suggestion relevant now that I have clarified this point?

baumgrenze
Yes it is still relevant. Whether you dual boot or boot from separate disks. How many other disks are installed?
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05 Mar 2017   #8
baumgrenze

Win 7 Pro 64
 
 
Not Installed?

I tried to outline this carefully under Hard Drives in My System Specs.

When I want to launch Win 10, I shut down, open the case, unplug the cable from the Win 7 drive and plug in the Win 10 drive.

Only one drive OS is connected at any time.

I think the Win7 OS drive may be 'compromised' but still limping along. It is one of the Crucial SSDs,

There is a Data Disk that at present shows as RAW in Disk Management. I'm working on this with jumanji I want to make one more copy using test disk because Avast popped up claiming it blocked a virus during the copy process.

(1TB WD Caviar Black (WD1003FZEX-00MK2A0) (Data drive)

At present I have an ESATA connection to an external drive. It is normally not up and running.

1 2TB Seagate 2TB (PN/ 9JB1N3-576 - ST2000DM001-1ER) (Backup Drive)

I cannot see how the Win10 drive, if not physically connected to the MOBO, can impact my boot time.

I am certainly open to education. At 77 I've learned that 'I'm not to old to learn' and that it is becoming increasingly probable that I will forget.

thanks
baumgrenze
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05 Mar 2017   #9
pbcopter

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1, Windows 8.1 Pro x64, Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by baumgrenze View Post



I cannot see how the Win10 drive, if not physically connected to the MOBO, can impact my boot time.


baumgrenze
I'll try to be more clear. When you shut down Windows 10 with fast startup enabled, it puts the whole system, including attached disks, in a hibernate like mode. Even if you remove the Windows 10 disk, the other disks still remain in that mode. When you attach and boot to Windows 7, it does not understand the system configuration and runs Chkdsk.

Turn off fast startup in Windows 10, then shutdown and attach the Windows 7 disk and check the boot time.

By the way, I am also over 70 and in my system I attach and remove each Windows disk as well, using a front mounted disk tray, rather than multi boot..
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05 Mar 2017   #10
torchwood

W7 home premium 32bit/W7HP 64bit/w10 tp insider ring
 
 

Its your BIOS configuration

Sounds like its set up for 10 not 7, that why when you swap in/out the SSD its failing.
YOUR BIOS IS STILL READING THE OLD 10 set-up, which is incompatable with W7,
in essence its NOT a dual boot, your trying to buck the normal single boot
SO DIFFERENT BIOS options need to be applied depending on which OS you boot.

Pbcopters advice is sound in this case - Dissable fast startup

Roy
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