Windows 7 Forums
Welcome to Windows 7 Forums. Our forum is dedicated to helping you find support and solutions for any problems regarding your Windows 7 PC be it Dell, HP, Acer, Asus or a custom build. We also provide an extensive Windows 7 tutorial section that covers a wide range of tips and tricks.


Windows 7: Do you have enabled System Protection?

View Poll Results: Do you have enabled System Protection?
Yes, I have enabled System Protection 22 59.46%
No (please specify why) 15 40.54%
Voters: 37. You may not vote on this poll

23 Nov 2009   #31
dave1812

Win7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Qdos View Post
Why use a system that is so primitive, and can harbour viruses which can negate repairs carried out on a system if system restore is active? Use a third party disk imaging software option instead, not only is it better, you get far greater control and infinitely better security, choice of backup media, emergency boot media... etc, etc
How does imaging software guarantee that no viruses are being "harbored"??


My System SpecsSystem Spec
.
23 Nov 2009   #32
Qdos

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by dave1812 View Post
How does imaging software guarantee that no viruses are being "harbored"??
I didn't say that... but how many times is it necessary to turn off system restore after doing virus repairs because the system restore feature can restore the virus to your computer in a flash...

Viruses can't just jump from, say, an Acronis Backup to your Windows installation...
My System SpecsSystem Spec
23 Nov 2009   #33
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Qdos View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by dave1812 View Post
How does imaging software guarantee that no viruses are being "harbored"??
I didn't say that... but how many times is it necessary to turn off system restore after doing virus repairs because the system restore feature can restore the virus to your computer in a flash...

Viruses can't just jump from, say, an Acronis Backup to your Windows installation...
Now I am confused. If you utilized Acronis images to restore your machines...wouldn't it also hold true that after virus repairs that you would have to dump your old backups as using them to restore your system could restore the virus to the computer in a flash??? In fact, I would think with system images the problem would actually be far worse as this is restoring data files and such...rather than just the drivers and DLL's...which usually aren't the infected bits.

I do use a "system image" from time to time with my machine. Usually I take one right after install and the base drivers are installed and the machine is activated. But that is usually it...with respect to images. But in the event that a driver update hoses some functionality and a system uninstall doesn't quite cut it...a "system restore" point is usually more effective as a quick solution than backup up any new data, restoring the "system image" and reinstalling apps and moving that new data back.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
.

23 Nov 2009   #34
Qdos

 

Who makes infected images using, say, Acronis TI?

I don't. Very few others will. Reason being is that you choose when to do it.

Unlike system restore...

Q. Can you boot from a Microsoft System Restore disk and reinstall your entire OS?

A. Nope.

Q. Does System Restore use a separate drive or partition for heightened data integrity?

A. Nope again.

Q. Can a virus which was incorporated into a System Restore archive resurrect itself to bite you in the a$$?

A. Yep.

I rest my case...
My System SpecsSystem Spec
23 Nov 2009   #35
helmutcheese

Vista (Hate Win 7)
 
 

How can using an image restore the virus if you made the image on a 100% clean/running well machine ?
My System SpecsSystem Spec
23 Nov 2009   #36
dave1812

Win7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by helmutcheese View Post
How can using an image restore the virus if you made the image on a 100% clean/running well machine ?
that's an assumption that is too often faulty...just ask the person who thought they had a virus-free image of their drive.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
23 Nov 2009   #37
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Qdos View Post
Who makes infected images using, say, Acronis TI?
Somebody who doesn't yet know that their machine is infected. Even the most rigorous of AV products are unaware until a new enough definition file is released.

Playing Devils Advocate a bit and reversing the thought process

Q. Can a virus which was incorporated into a TI archive resurrect itself to bite you in the a$$?
A. Yep.

Q. Can a TI backup be used to simply reverse what 1 application did without having to restore your whole OS and recover any data between now and then.
A. Nope

I think my point is that each system provides different value to the end user. Honestly, best course of action to me would be to use both systems...and that is exactly what I do. Like I said, 1 image that puts me back to 100% clean and 100% vanilla...system protection to warrant against that isolated incident causing me some grief at any moment.

I'm not arguing against the use of other technologies. However, I'm not convinced that having system restore turned on is causing me any hardships other than a small amount of disk space which is easily afforded. So, I'm arguing that in my opinion there isn't a great reason for disabling it. At the end of the day, it's just my opinion. Your mileage indeed will vary.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
23 Nov 2009   #38
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Qdos View Post
Who makes infected images using, say, Acronis TI?
Somebody who doesn't yet know that their machine is infected. Even the most rigorous of AV products are unaware until a new enough definition file is released.

Also, I've been fortunate enough to make a system change on a Monday which resulted in another application suffering an issue which wasn't discovered for 3-4 days since I didn't use the other application. So, I could have easily ran a TI backup on Tuesday assuming that all was well...and simply didn't know about it.

Playing Devils Advocate a bit and reversing the thought process

Q. Can a virus which was incorporated into a TI archive resurrect itself to bite you in the a$$?
A. Yep.

Q. Can a TI backup be used to simply reverse what 1 application did without having to restore your whole OS and recover any data between now and then.
A. Nope

I think my point is that each system provides different value to the end user. Honestly, best course of action to me would be to use both systems...and that is exactly what I do. Like I said, 1 image that puts me back to 100% clean and 100% vanilla...system protection to warrant against that isolated incident causing me some grief at any moment.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
23 Nov 2009   #39
Qdos

 

Can't agree with anyone who says System Restore is a decent alternative to third party disk imaging tools, nor with those who don't know the concepts of making bare metal backups, building on them stage by stage, and ensuring you don't have nasties aboard...

Perhaps this sort of mentality will enable them to go around believing System Restore makes them bomb proof, when the truth is that it does little more than bloat the systems primary partition and can serve as a vehicle to cache viruses on the same partition as the actual operating sytem... sheesh...
My System SpecsSystem Spec
23 Nov 2009   #40
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Maybe if Microsoft had labeled the name of the tool, "Critical System Components restore" instead we would all get along.

The name is a bit misleading, as it will not, nor can it restore an entire OS in the event of a massive failure. As can be done with any imaging tool.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Reply

 Do you have enabled System Protection?




Thread Tools




Similar help and support threads
Thread Forum
Enable system protection to preform system restore
Please help!!! Pics included to explain the situation Basically after installing some new software for my phone my windows 7 laptop crashed - it flashes a blue screen and restarts on boot up I can get to image 1 page to try a system repair But then I need to enable system protection.. Image 2 ...
Backup and Restore
System Protection not working in System Control Panel
I've tried to open System Protection in System in the Control Panel but it will not work. It gives an error of 0x81000203. I've rebooted and attempted but get the same thing each time.
System Security
SD Card Write Protection is enabled - Lock slider not set.
As the title says, I can't write to my SD card because it has write protection enabled, even though I did not enable it. It just suddenly happened. The lock slider is not set to lock. I've tried some methods around the net but none of them worked. Some people have suggested this : ...
Hardware & Devices
Should System Protection be Enabled on a Data partition?
What opinions do others have about enabling System Protection on a separate Data partition (D)? I do not recommend this normally because System Restore only restores OS and Programs anyway, so why have it possibly interfere with keeping the latest data set intact on D in case C needs...
Backup and Restore
System protection enabled by command prompt?
Okies everyone who is willing to help....i have a huge problem. I installed windows 7 the other night for a friend. I had this thing working perfectly fine. So i ran into an issue after they restarted the pc for a windows update. Whenever i boot i see the black screen with Windows...
BSOD Help and Support


Our Sites

Site Links

About Us

Find Us

Windows 7 Forums is an independent web site and has not been authorized, sponsored, or otherwise approved by Microsoft Corporation. "Windows 7" and related materials are trademarks of Microsoft Corp.

Designer Media Ltd

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 19:00.
Twitter Facebook Google+ Seven Forums iOS App Seven Forums Android App