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Windows 7: Is it possible to defrag when creating new files?

25 Jan 2010   #11

Win 7 Ultimate 32bit

In the olden times,,, Win Defrag did an ok job, and has gotten better.
But, other defraggers may move files differently, placing large files at front or back of the disk etc.

With that said.

Typically, there is no way to say, that one is really better than another these days.
Would have to do some research,,, but,,, One thing I like about using other defraggers, (JKDefrag or Defraggler, etc.) Is they are portable, can be run from BartPE or UBCD.
I have had instances where Win Defrag would not start or run properly, so I would use Auslogics or other and run a quick defrag, this would (for whatever reason) kick Win Defrag and then it would run.

Without relying on people who know how to tell the difference,, there is no way of really knowing.
It's more (in my opinion) about personal preference.

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26 Jan 2010   #12

Windows 7 Ultimate 64 - OEM Service Pack 1

I apologize Iggy it has just been my experience with this software compared with the Win Defrag program.

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26 Jan 2010   #13

Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit

I don't think ickymay has the grasp of the etiquete shown on this forum, still thanks for the input even though it wasn't needed....
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26 Jan 2010   #14

Windows 7 Ultimate (64 bit)

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kenrolli View Post
I don't think ickymay has the grasp of the etiquete shown on this forum, still thanks for the input even though it wasn't needed....

Etiquete. Is that a new software? Have a great day!
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26 Jan 2010   #15

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit

Win7s built in defragmenter simply defragments fragmented files and stops at that.

I do not know about the free one listed earlier in the thread, as I have little knowledge of it..

However, I do know that Perfect Disk and Diskeeper have different ways of placing files. Both will not only defragment but also move all files in closer to outter edge (fastest) part of disk.

Perfect Disk has what they call "SmartPlacement" it basically defragments files, and moves everything together eliminating Free Space between files. But also arranges files by "modified state". Those that are rarely modified on outside, recently modified on the inside. Which helps reduce future fragmentation.

Consoldate, which is just defragmenting and moving all files to outter edge of platters eliminating free space with no regard to special placement.

Diskeeper work similar.

Win7s built in defragmenter doesnt do this.
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26 Jan 2010   #16

Windows 7 Professional 64-bit

One problem I have with the included windows defragger is with the scheduler. If it deems its not fragmented enough it will not run it. Then when I come to check what its done the next morning with another defragger that has a block map, I see large amounts of fragmentation.
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26 Jan 2010   #17

Windows 7 64 bit build 7600

This article is pretty informative about the new windows 7 defragmentator:
Engineering Windows 7 : Disk Defragmentation ? Background and Engineering the Windows 7 Improvements

Among the other changes under the hood in Windows 7 are the following:
  • Defragmentation in Windows 7 is more comprehensive – many files that could not be re-located in Windows Vista or earlier versions can now be optimally re-placed. In particular, a lot of work was done to make various NTFS metadata files movable. This ability to relocate NTFS metadata files also benefits volume shrink, since it enables the system to pack all files and file system metadata more closely and free up space “at the end” which can be reclaimed if required.
  • If solid-state media is detected, Windows disables defragmentation on that disk. The physical nature of solid-state media is such that defragmentation is not needed and in fact, could decrease overall media lifetime in certain cases.
  • By default, defragmentation is disabled on Windows Server 2008 R2 (the Windows 7 server release). Given the variability of server workloads, defragmentation should be enabled and scheduled only by an administrator who understands those workloads.
The article also explains a lot about how defragmenting large files can be worse for the system be increasing disk i/o.
I really appreciate microsoft for making this blog post =) it explains a lot.
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