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Windows 7: Pagefile.sys

15 Aug 2011   #121
smarteyeball

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Cr00zng View Post

As such, while I understand the "experts" advise against disabling the page file, I don't see the need for it and in my case set to disabled.
Yeah, silly "experts". What would they know?




There has been some seriously erroneous shit spread in this thread.

Note   Note
All the average end user needs to know about the pagefile is: leave the thing alone.


And for those have, don't bloody argue about why you all know better than the company whose Operating System it is. You don't.


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15 Aug 2011   #122
Digerati

Windows 7 Profession 64-bit
 
 

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don't bloody argue about why you all know better than the company whose Operating System it is. You don't.
And I don't either! Which is exactly why I did the research, and provided links - as did my colleagues.
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15 Aug 2011   #123
smarteyeball

 
 

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And I don't either! Which is exactly why I did the research, and provided links - as did my colleagues.
Fingers not pointed at you mate.
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15 Aug 2011   #124
Digerati

Windows 7 Profession 64-bit
 
 

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Fingers not pointed at you mate.
I did not take it that way, so not to worry!
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15 Aug 2011   #125
pallesenw

Windows
 
 

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I did not! Don't go making stuff up or twist my words around. I said "some", and other SevenGurus provided examples.
The number is irrelevant. You argued that "some" applications are programmed to directly save data in the page file (that is how I read it). That was my point.

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14 recognized experts on this forum
In the last few posts I've tried to make a point. Just because you have a "guru"-badge on this forum doesn't make you an expert. What some of the gurus here have said is just nonsense. I like the part where it is argued that disabling the page file will disable virtual memory.

Anyways, my point about the page file has slipped passed you.
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15 Aug 2011   #126
Cr00zng

Windows 7 64-bit, Windows 8.1 64-bit, OSX El Capitan, Windows 10 (VMware)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by smarteyeball View Post
Yeah, silly "experts". What would they know?
The reason for quotation of the word expert to indicate all of them instead of spelling them out, MS, SevenGurus, etc.,; it was not my intent to imply "silly" with that. It was your choice...

Some of the people in this thread indicated that programs may not run correctly, game play will suffer, etc., and that was not true on my computers regardless if it was Vista or Windows 7. It is also not true for other systems that I've built and had the page file disabled.

Nor did I advocate disabling the page file. Demanding to leave the page file enabled and calling people names (implied or otherwise) who does not comply is, well silly...
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15 Aug 2011   #127
Digerati

Windows 7 Profession 64-bit
 
 

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The number is irrelevant. You argued that "some" applications are programmed to directly save data in the page file (that is how I read it). That was my point.
(1) This is a technical forum. Numbers are very relevant - ESPECIALLY when you attribute those numbers to someone else. Telling others someone said something when you know that is not true... ...call it what you want, I know what I call that.

(2) I said some programs (including Windows) expect to find a PF and I said some programs use the PF. I did not say millions and I did not say some programs are programmed to directly save data in the page file (except the OS). I am not a programmer, I already said I don't pretend to be a programmer. That's why I don't pretend to know better than Microsoft.

If you are going to quote me, quote me. Do not paraphrase because you change the meaning. That's unprofessional in a technical discussion, and not cool.

The point I was making is there is NO evidence suggesting deleting the Page File is beneficial. "Is not needed" does NOT mean "delete" nor does it suggest "deleting the Page File is beneficial". And there has been absolutely no evidence presented suggesting, even in the slightest, that there are any benefits. And furthermore, no one has even presented a link to any recognized expert that says, if lots of RAM, disable your PF.

(3) I was wrong. I said I have been pleading since Post #50 for you guys to provide one shred of supporting evidence. That was incorrect. On page 3 of this thread, in Post #25, I said,
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Digerati
There is absolutely no reputable source (a real testing facility) that has reported any gains from disabling the page file. If you find one, link it here.
Here we are, 6 months later on page 13 at post #127, and not one of you has posted even one link to anything that suggests disabling the page file has any benefits whatsoever. And yet, you continue arguing. That's sad.

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Just because you have a "guru"-badge on this forum doesn't make you an expert.
You are right. The badge does not make the expert. The badge simply means you have already demonstrated you are an expert, and you have been recognized by other experts for it. That makes it pretty special, IMO.

But no one is an expert in all areas of IT. So to that, as I noted before, these silly experts are not so vain they expect everyone to automatically take their words as the Gospel. So they back up their words with links to supporting evidence.
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15 Aug 2011   #128
pallesenw

Windows
 
 

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This is a technical forum. Numbers are very relevant
Well, I argue it depends on the context. Anyways, I think the big number came from when you said that I couldn't possible know how the many, many applications out there were programmed to use or not use the page file.

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But no one is an expert in all areas of IT. So to that, as I noted before, these silly experts are not so vain they expect everyone to automatically take their words as the Gospel. So they back up their words with links to supporting evidence.
The guru that said disabling the page file will result in disabling virtual memory backed it up with several links. The problem is, he didn't understand what he was reading, so he got it all wrong. That was my point. You drew the badge-card and said that when the gurus have spoken then it must be true.
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15 Aug 2011   #129
Wishmaster

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

One that comes to mind right off hand is Everquest 2.

I have 8GB of RAM in my machine. With the PF disabled, the game would CTD after when there was alot going on. Usually within 10-15 minutes of being up and running.

It always gives the error, "Virtual Memory Error. System out of Memory"
Yet, looking at the task manager, it would show something like 4GB out 8GB in use at the time of crash. So it was not out of physical memory.
Turning the PF back on, and no more crashes.


So stating no program needs a PF is not at all true. Some need and expect one to be present.

This is one example, but there are obviously many more.
Some simply will start at all. Others may run but with issues.

Just because you have not run into such a issue yet, does not mena you ever will.
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15 Aug 2011   #130
pallesenw

Windows
 
 

If your game cannot work without a page file then it is a bug, it is not because it is programmed to use it.
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