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Windows 7: Quieting Windows 7 down....

27 Mar 2010   #91
jasin

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27 Mar 2010   #92
jasin

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You know, you could just get an ssd drive. There is no moving parts in an ssd drive. They are considerably faster too.
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27 Mar 2010   #93
CommonTater

XP Pro SP3 X86 / Win7 Pro X86
 
 

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In the end what I did was go through Scheduled Tasks and disable most of them.
I went through the same thing with Vista 32 bit. Pre SP1 it was really out of tune. Found a lot of stuff in scheduled tasks, like even if you opt out of their performance survey stuff, it was still gathering the statistics. I really had to spend a lot of time with it. I broke my own rule of only buying a PC with preinstalled OS if it has an SP already on. No matter what I did I couldn't get SP1 on that machine. So I did one better and put W7 on.
Well, I've gotta be honest, with the amount of screwing about I had to do with this to get it into (what I would consider) a useable state... I'm seriously wondering if I've wasted a fair chunk of change here... In total there are 6 machines in this family and soon to be 7 (upcoming marriage) ... at $200 a pop for Win7, that's not exactly handount change.

I haven't tested the audio and visual capabilities extensively yet but they are the core of computing in this house. An OS that can't handle streaming video out it's network jacks while playing HD video from it's regular video connections would be totally useless to us. Our network is a tangle of shared this and archived that and it's not at all uncommon for me to be watching a movie on my HTPC machine while someone else is streaming a different movie from it's network connection to watch on theirs.

The day of the big test is coming. I've had this on two of my machines for most of a month now and it's beginning to show both good and bad signs. I'm still getting incomplete downloads on larger files (100+ mb) and often video playback is heavily pixellated at random points in random movies (it's almost like it gets tired) and I haven't yet been able to stream a complete movie to another machine from my little ASRock system's DVD player... It's been quite the challenge but XP did this effortlessly.

The thing is that a media intensive setup needs a "nothing else going on" environment to work correctly and Windows 7 simply does not provide that. The machine is never truly quiescent.

As for SP1, I'm dreading the day... I disable auto-updates and rely on service packs for updating. I'm just hoping SP1 will install without undoing everything I had to do to make this work...

Reading the other sections on these forums tells me a lot of people are having less than trivial problems with many modules of the OS and I will confess that has me quite concerned. The sheer number of audio problems, alone, is daunting... then there's all the networking issues I'm seeing... more than a little unnerving.

It's been quite the journey, especially for an OS some people claim needs no tweaking at all...
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27 Mar 2010   #94
CommonTater

XP Pro SP3 X86 / Win7 Pro X86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jasin View Post
You know, you could just get an ssd drive. There is no moving parts in an ssd drive. They are considerably faster too.
It's not about noise, jasin. In this case "quiet" means "not busy".

It's about the responsiveness of the system. If it's busy doing a bunch of background stuff and another request comes along, how much lag before the request can be answered?

Multimedia is a real pain in multitasking systems like windows, network packets or disk chunks have to be delivered in a very timely fashion... delays cause visual and audible distortions that, needless to say, are beyond enfuriating. Anything that would delay a "get next" request is an absolute no-no in these systems.

When I first started this Windows 7 could not play 1080p video on a system specifically designed for it. (ASRock ION 330). The video would pixelate and you could see it dropping frames --a lot of frames-- while the audio burbled and pumped away like crazy. XP did this effortlessly with less than half the CPU time Win7 needed. It was clear that win7 was keeing itself way too busy to do a proper job.
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27 Mar 2010   #95
MilesAhead

Windows 7 32 bit
 
 

@CommonTater

the stuff happening to you sounds just like where I was at with Vista pre SP1. It's like Deja Vu all over again. I can feel your frustration. When I got my Vista 32 settled down after tons of work I made a printout using LookInMyPC with the state of all my Services. When I got my Vista64 PC with SP1 on, I looked through them. All but about 5 were at the settings I did manually. That PC about all I had to do was get Norton completely off and make a few tweaks.It's like night and day between the two systems.
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27 Mar 2010   #96
CommonTater

XP Pro SP3 X86 / Win7 Pro X86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MilesAhead View Post
@CommonTater

the stuff happening to you sounds just like where I was at with Vista pre SP1. It's like Deja Vu all over again. I can feel your frustration. When I got my Vista 32 settled down after tons of work I made a printout using LookInMyPC with the state of all my Services. When I got my Vista64 PC with SP1 on, I looked through them. All but about 5 were at the settings I did manually. That PC about all I had to do was get Norton completely off and make a few tweaks.It's like night and day between the two systems.
Thank you for the Look In My PC idea... Just did the printout. I figure it will be good guidance when I start messing with the rest of the family computers.

Indeed I had quite a time getting this to work the way I wanted.

Say what you like about Windows 7, it is NOT better at multimedia then XP was...
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27 Mar 2010   #97
MilesAhead

Windows 7 32 bit
 
 

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Say what you like about Windows 7, it is NOT better at multimedia then XP was...
Somebody more knowledgeable about computers than I, once told me, "An operating system is at it's most robust and powerful just before obsolescence." Unfortunately that's how it goes. Just when you start to love the thing, they scrap it!

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28 Mar 2010   #98
CommonTater

XP Pro SP3 X86 / Win7 Pro X86
 
 

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Somebody more knowledgeable about computers than I, once told me, "An operating system is at it's most robust and powerful just before obsolescence." Unfortunately that's how it goes. Just when you start to love the thing, they scrap it!
As my father would have put it: "Shoes are always the most comfortable right before they fall apart."

It's true. It seems like we are in a constant cycle of "get it right then toss it" and things never do actually settle in to the point where you can just enjoy. I would still be using XP except for the upcoming change from 512B disk sectors to the new 4K model. I realize I would be fine on XP with my current hardware and software for quite some time but this hardware change means people will most likely just walk away from XP leaving it totally unsupported like they did Win2k when SATA came out.

I would dealy love to come back from my morning walk and have a blank page in my to-do list, instead of "dust, laundry, fix 3 computers, deal with broken network, try to fix download speeds..."
Really, I thought I was retired... Mostly, though, I'm just plain tired.
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02 Apr 2010   #99
jasin

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by CommonTater View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jasin View Post
You know, you could just get an ssd drive. There is no moving parts in an ssd drive. They are considerably faster too.
It's not about noise, jasin. In this case "quiet" means "not busy".

It's about the responsiveness of the system. If it's busy doing a bunch of background stuff and another request comes along, how much lag before the request can be answered?

Multimedia is a real pain in multitasking systems like windows, network packets or disk chunks have to be delivered in a very timely fashion... delays cause visual and audible distortions that, needless to say, are beyond enfuriating. Anything that would delay a "get next" request is an absolute no-no in these systems.

When I first started this Windows 7 could not play 1080p video on a system specifically designed for it. (ASRock ION 330). The video would pixelate and you could see it dropping frames --a lot of frames-- while the audio burbled and pumped away like crazy. XP did this effortlessly with less than half the CPU time Win7 needed. It was clear that win7 was keeing itself way too busy to do a proper job.
Then the word "quiet" is being missused.

quiet: making no noise or sound
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02 Apr 2010   #100
jasin

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

[QUOTE=MilesAhead;651641]
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by CommonTater View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MilesAhead View Post
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Say what you like about Windows 7, it is NOT better at multimedia then XP was...
Somebody more knowledgeable about computers than I, once told me, "An operating system is at it's most robust and powerful just before obsolescence." Unfortunately that's how it goes. Just when you start to love the thing, they scrap it!

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Most of the problems in an windows OS are not fully fixed until sp2 or 3, which is right around the same time they get ready to release the next OS.
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