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Windows 7: Show Us Your WEI (2)

30 Oct 2010   #1051
cbaile6692

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by tw33k View Post
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I strongly disagree with moving the pagefile off the SSD. This is a myth that has been busted.

That's why it's better not to use a pagefile at all, especially if you have 6GB of RAM or more. Most people will never use up 6GB or more of RAM, so just go without a pagefile.


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30 Oct 2010   #1052
Dave76

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by tw33k View Post
What people need to understand is that most pagefile operations are small random reads or larger sequential writes, both of which are types of operations that SSDs handle far better than HDDs. Reads outweigh writes 40:1 so it's not going to decrease the life of the SSD at all.

You're right, that was a Gen1 myth.

All the SSD sites I have seen are saying that the page file is better off, left on the SSD.
If you have lots of RAM you can reduce the size, if you want to.

There are a lot of tweaks used on Gen1 SSDs that aren't needed on the Gen2s.
Always check the dates of posts recommending tweaks and adjustments for SSDs.
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30 Oct 2010   #1053
tw33k

Windows 7 Ultimate (x64) SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by cbaile6692 View Post
That's why it's better not to use a pagefile at all, especially if you have 6GB of RAM or more. Most people will never use up 6GB or more of RAM, so just go without a pagefile.
Having a paging file means Windows can write pages on the modified list (which represent pages that aren’t being accessed actively but have not been saved to disk) out to the paging file, thus making that memory available for more useful purposes (processes or file cache). So in general having one will mean more usable memory being available to the system (never mind that Windows won’t be able to write kernel crash dumps without a paging file sized large enough to hold them).
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30 Oct 2010   #1054
usbhubman

Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by tw33k View Post
What people need to understand is that most pagefile operations are small random reads or larger sequential writes, both of which are types of operations that SSDs handle far better than HDDs. Reads outweigh writes 40:1 so it's not going to decrease the life of the SSD at all.
"Reads outweigh writes 40:1 ....." and you're using THIS as the reason to keep a pagefile around ? The very idea of a pagefile is to allow the computer to WRITE DATA in the background while the computer continues doing what it does best.

I get so angry at people who say "Myth" or "NO" at the drop of a hat without a ref to any article, benchmark or study to support their statement. PAGEFILE and before that SWAPFILE were there when Windows needed more RAM than most people had. Today, most people - even with only 2 or 3 Gb of RAM have more than the system uses 99% of the time.

Think about it, the computer constantly keeps the PAGEFILE updated as to everything you have done recently so that IF YOU were EVER to need to do so it could pull the data from the file instead of making you load the data, .dlls etc. Once again, by definition a SWAPFILE or PAGEFILE is constantly writing, only occasionally does it ever surrender up a read.

PAGEFILE, SWAPFILE are so archaic now, there are few modern references with any data to back them up as to whether to keep them or not. Almost everything is years old. I installed Windows 7 Ultimate in May and I haven't had a BSOD. Try moving the Pagefile somewhere else, or even better, get rid of it entirely. If you BSOD, then by all means return it.

<off soapbox>
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30 Oct 2010   #1055
tw33k

Windows 7 Ultimate (x64) SP1
 
 

I was using the read/write ratio to dispel the myth that the pagefile will decrease the life of an SSD not to justify keeping it.

My views are not made "at the drop of a hat" at all. There is heaps of evidence to suggest it is better to leave the pagefile alone.

A good read (if you're truly interested)...Pushing the Limits of Windows: Virtual Memory - Mark's Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

No need to get "angry". Opinions on this vary. Even the "experts" don't all agree. If it works for you then great but this doesn't mean it's best for everybody. I have tried it everyway possible and noticed no significant performance increase by removing it and I honestly doubt that anyone would.

FYI..mine is set statically @ 400MB (the lowest size before Windows gives a warning)
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30 Oct 2010   #1056
mechbob

Windows 7 Pro 64 bit
 
 
WEI Scores

These are my scores for a DX48BT2 with a Xeon X3380.


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30 Oct 2010   #1057
tw33k

Windows 7 Ultimate (x64) SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mechbob View Post
These are my scores for a DX48BT2 with a Xeon X3380.
How dare you return to the main topic!

Great scores!
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30 Oct 2010   #1058
usbhubman

Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by tw33k View Post
... snip ... snip ....

A good read (if you're truly interested)...Pushing the Limits of Windows: Virtual Memory - Mark's Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
Dated the 17th of November 2008 .... at the dizzying heights of Vista !

I rest my case ....
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30 Oct 2010   #1059
tw33k

Windows 7 Ultimate (x64) SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by usbhubman View Post
I get so angry at people who say "Myth" or "NO" at the drop of a hat without a ref to any article, benchmark or study to support their statement.
Pots and kettles come to mind. Anyway, we've gone off topic long enough. Like I said, if it works for you, great! I've got better things to do than debate this with someone who obviously thinks that they know best and has no regard for varying opinions.
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30 Oct 2010   #1060
Dave76

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by usbhubman View Post
I get so angry at people who say "Myth" or "NO" at the drop of a hat without a ref to any article, benchmark or study to support their statement.
<off soapbox>
That should work both ways. Did you post any references?

Maybe more so when anyone tells people to change the OS from it's original configuration.

Debates are encouraged here but, 'anger' is best left out.

Points of view concerning performance is relevant on this thread but, a long debate that requires sited references and further technical discussion would be better off in a new thread.

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by usbhubman View Post
I get so angry at people who say "Myth" or "NO" at the drop of a hat without a ref to any article, benchmark or study to support their statement.
Pots and kettles come to mind. Anyway, we've gone off topic long enough. Like I said, if it works for you, great! I've got better things to do than debate this with someone who obviously thinks that they know best and has no regard for varying opinions.
+1 Agree with you on this.




Back on topic,

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mechbob View Post
These are my scores for a DX48BT2 with a Xeon X3380.
Nice scores
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