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Windows 7: Show Us Your WEI (2)

10 Jan 2011   #1391
Cr00zng

Windows 7 64-bit, Windows 8.1 64-bit, OSX El Capitan, Windows 10 (VMware)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post

To clarify my post above, most people think TJmax is the max temp they can run there system at, it's actually the over temp protection functions that keeps you from melting your CPU. To make shorter explainations I usually assume they mean max temp they should run there system at.
So, the TJmax is 100 degree Celsius for the i5-7xx CPU at which point the thermal protection of the CPU kicks in to throttle it back, or shut it down, to protect the CPU. The 72-77 degree Celsius is the limit to safely run the CPU at for prolonged time. Am I understanding you correctly?

XBIT has tested the i5-860 and they had no issues running it at 89 degree Celsius for a prolonged time:

Intel Core i5-760 CPU Review. Page 8 - X-bit labs


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10 Jan 2011   #1392
Dave76

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

Yes, that's right.

Define prolonged time. 24 hours, 24 days, until degraded and then sell it?
EDIT: The above comment, especially 'Until degraded' was intended for the linked site article from the above post.

72C is listed on Intel's site as Tcase, the CPU case, add 5C for Tjunction which is CPU cores, this is what CPU temp monitoring programs use. So when using SpeedFan, RealTemp, CoreTemp, etc. max temp is 77.7C.

If you search around enough you will find many different "operating temps" listed.
You will find that many people especially on OC sites will say anything under TJmax is OK, if they are pushed they will say it's ok because they plan on selling the CPU in less than a year (to some poor unsuspecting person) or they don't mind tossing it in the garbage and buying a new one for the sake of getting the bragging rights to high long term speeds.
Knowledgable members at good sites always give the disclaimer: OC at your own risk.

Running CPUs at high temps has its risks, each CPU runs differently, speeds obtainable, temps, etc.
Heat kills electronics.
The manufactoring processor grading is known as binning, when the processors are made they are tested and separated by the results of the tests and then put into bins, these are used for different models, i7-980 to the lowest models. Some i7-980s run hotter than others due to the quality of the transistors and won't OC without more heat compared to another with the better transistors.
It's the luck of the draw.

Each person has to decide for themselves if they want to OC, and decide the level of risk/level of OC.
Heat is the key to the risk level.

I OC'ed until I found my heat wall, with my cooling system, then backed it down so I could run at a safe temp. But that's just me, some people must reach that 4+ GHz level no matter the risk.

Decide your risk level, start slow and find your 'Walls' and do what you can to keep reasonable temps.
Unless you don't mind tossing your CPU and getting a new one, then go ahead and crank it up.
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10 Jan 2011   #1393
Beginning

Windows 7 Professional 64bit
 
 

^well said there Dave
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10 Jan 2011   #1394
RealGoneKid

Windows 7 Ultimate X64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post
Yes, that's right.

Define prolonged time. 24 hours, 24 days, until degraded and then sell it?

72C is listed on Intel's site as Tcase, the CPU case, add 5C for Tjunction which is CPU cores, this is what CPU temp monitoring programs use. So when using SpeedFan, RealTemp, CoreTemp, etc. max temp is 77.7C.

If you search around enough you will find many different "operating temps" listed.
You will find that many people especially on OC sites will say anything under TJmax is OK, if they are pushed they will say it's ok because they plan on selling the CPU in less than a year (to some poor unsuspecting person) or they don't mind tossing it in the garbage and buying a new one for the sake of getting the bragging rights to high long term speeds.
Knowledgable members at good sites always give the disclaimer: OC at your own risk.

Running CPUs at high temps has its risks, each CPU runs differently, speeds obtainable, temps, etc.
Heat kills electronics.
The manufactoring processor grading is known as binning, when the processors are made they are tested and separated by the results of the tests and then put into bins, these are used for different models, i7-980 to the lowest models. Some i7-980s run hotter than others due to the quality of the transistors and won't OC without more heat compared to another with the better transistors.
It's the luck of the draw.

Each person has to decide for themselves if they want to OC, and decide the level of risk/level of OC.
Heat is the key to the risk level.

I OC'ed until I found my heat wall, with my cooling system, then backed it down so I could run at a safe temp. But that's just me, some people must reach that 4+ GHz level no matter the risk.

Decide your risk level, start slow and find your 'Walls' and do what you can to keep reasonable temps.
Unless you don't mind tossing your CPU and getting a new one, then go ahead and crank it up.
Fair plays, modern philosophy, Great advice...
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11 Jan 2011   #1395
Julio Cortez

Win 7 Pro x64 SP1 Windows XP SP3
 
 

Mine is just 5.9.. Damn SATA II hard disk!!
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12 Jan 2011   #1396
Cr00zng

Windows 7 64-bit, Windows 8.1 64-bit, OSX El Capitan, Windows 10 (VMware)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post
Yes, that's right.

Define prolonged time. 24 hours, 24 days, until degraded and then sell it?

72C is listed on Intel's site as Tcase, the CPU case, add 5C for Tjunction which is CPU cores, this is what CPU temp monitoring programs use. So when using SpeedFan, RealTemp, CoreTemp, etc. max temp is 77.7C.
First of all, I build my systems, use them for 3-4 years, no or minimal upgrades, then build another one. I do not sell old parts, damaged or otherwise; I still have in an envelop loaded with CPUs from the 386 CPU to the Core 2 CPU, and anything between. Not once I had to change the CPU because it has degraded.

Second of all, you were the one who suggested that I OC my system; yes, it was my choice not yours. When I tried first time and the CPU reached close to 100 degree Celsius, this is how you started your reply:

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post
Good start in your OC'ing.
Here's the link to your referenced post:
Show Us Your WEI (2)

I was simply asking you if I've understand your previous post correctly. I had no intent to run my CPU at high temperature, even if I just started to OC. I know that the prolonged high temperature does damage the CPU. In testing, maybe once or twice for a minute or so the CPU reached did high nineties. Since there was a disagreement of the max temp, I was looking for advise. I did not anticipate that you'll just accuse me of selling damaged CPU. Thanks Dave...

And for your knowledge, a simple reset of the heatsink did lower the CPU temperature by 20+ degree; currently my system idles in the mid-thirties and full load is in the mid-fifties.
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12 Jan 2011   #1397
FirewaveZ

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

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I really want one of those 940XM...

Anyone know what scores they get?


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13 Jan 2011   #1398
Dave76

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Cr00zng View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post
Yes, that's right.

Define prolonged time. 24 hours, 24 days, until degraded and then sell it?

72C is listed on Intel's site as Tcase, the CPU case, add 5C for Tjunction which is CPU cores, this is what CPU temp monitoring programs use. So when using SpeedFan, RealTemp, CoreTemp, etc. max temp is 77.7C.
First of all, I build my systems, use them for 3-4 years, no or minimal upgrades, then build another one. I do not sell old parts, damaged or otherwise; I still have in an envelop loaded with CPUs from the 386 CPU to the Core 2 CPU, and anything between. Not once I had to change the CPU because it has degraded.

Second of all, you were the one who suggested that I OC my system; yes, it was my choice not yours. When I tried first time and the CPU reached close to 100 degree Celsius, this is how you started your reply:

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post
Good start in your OC'ing.
Here's the link to your referenced post:
Show Us Your WEI (2)

I was simply asking you if I've understand your previous post correctly. I had no intent to run my CPU at high temperature, even if I just started to OC. I know that the prolonged high temperature does damage the CPU. In testing, maybe once or twice for a minute or so the CPU reached did high nineties. Since there was a disagreement of the max temp, I was looking for advise. I did not anticipate that you'll just accuse me of selling damaged CPU. Thanks Dave...

And for your knowledge, a simple reset of the heatsink did lower the CPU temperature by 20+ degree; currently my system idles in the mid-thirties and full load is in the mid-fifties.

I think it was getting very late when I wrote that, did not mean to imply you would sell any degraded hardware.

I've read many OC'ing forums where this was said, and was just mentioning that some info you read on OC'ing sites is not what the average enthusiast would want to do, mainly OC'ing at high temps because they don't plan on keeping the hardware or they just don't care if it dies.
I have seen a lot of posts at different sites telling someone, that is just starting to OC, that 90-100C is ok, I think it's appropiate to mention the risk and possible damage that can occur at these high clocks and temps and tell them "OC at your own risk'.
There are a few members at these other forums that do mention these things, but don't see it enough.

Glad to hear that your CPU temps are down.
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13 Jan 2011   #1399
Hondajt

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Steve Ballmer Edition
 
 
updated score :)

Got my new Intel AHCI drivers installed, and with a mild overclock, I'm at a lowest of 7.6 I love my Microcenter SSD and MSI GTX460. It's so quiet now!


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13 Jan 2011   #1400
jr26

Win7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Just upgraded my GTX 260 to a Radeon HD 6870. So far happy with the results in games. WEI also jumped from 7.3 to 7.8


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