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Windows 7: How do I make myself always administrator?

12 May 2010   #21
juanantoniod

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 
Excellent Resource Referrals!

WindowsStar,

Thanks for the excellent referrals! I will definitely check them out.

FWIW, I actually think that my point of view goes back to DOS, when you could do whatever you wanted on a machine, just by typing a simple command. And then Apple had to come along and screw it all up! I guess old habits die hard!


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12 May 2010   #22
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by juanantoniod View Post
Okay, guys, please excuse me for my ignorance, but I'm a little confused...

I thought that my one and only account on this computer, "Antonio", was the Administrator. Until, I got error messages telling me that I did not have administrator rights or privileges, and was denied access to view even simple TXT files. Then, following instructions on this forum, I "enabled?" the Administrator account, and after a couple of reboots, another login Account appeared on my Windows login screen, besides just mine. So, does this mean that I actually was not the Administrator, and did not have Administrator rights, but by creating the Administrator account, this account had them? Besides Windows limiting a "users" access to their own files, and wanting that, from a day-to-day standpoint, can you give me some examples of how I would use a separate Windows Administrator account?

And, just for clarification, can you please confirm that there are actually 3 different types of Windows Accounts, 2 of them being called "Administrator"? There is the User Account Administrator, the System Administrator Account, and the User Accounts, right? The User Account Administrator can create and modify User Accounts, but does not have System Administrator Privileges. Am I on the right track here in understanding this?

Thanks for your patience.
Due to the inclusion of UAC in win7 there are actually four account levels although two are actually part of the single user ...

Standard user
This user has limited rights and can access only files that are owned by them or available to everyone.

Administrator group account member running as standard user
This is the normal status of the administrator account formed on installation and any other user created as an administrator account. It has the same rights as the user above.
Administrator group account member running as Administrator
This is the same user as above but running in elevated mode this is either due to the UAC prompt or by right clicking an application icon and selecting "Run as Administrator". This user has access to all files and folders with administrator group or everyone permissions allocated

The hidden administrator account
This account works akin to the way that the administrator accounts did in XP or the Root account in *nix systems it is totally unaffected by UAC or permissions settings. This account is normally hidden (disabled), and is normally only enabled for special issuesHope this explains things
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12 May 2010   #23
juanantoniod

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Nigel,

Thanks for the clarification. This is kind of a moot point now, and may be a rare occurrence, but this is what is prompting me for just a little more clarification:

I ran the elevated command prompt, by right clicking and run as admin on command prompt accessory. Then I ran sfc /scannow, thinking that it would do something helpful [for my WMP and IE "issues"], and when it created a log file, I thought it would be helpful to read it. (What I learned after finally gaining access to it is that it was very cryptic.) Anyway, I double clicked on the TXT log file, and was told, "ACCESS DENIED". That irks me...it is just a txt file! You can't right click on this file and "run as admin" or "open as admin", so the only way I could figure, from the postings here, is to enable the hidden Administrator Account, which a poster here showed me how to do, and the Brink tutorial was helpful also.

So, I guess my question is: Is this "Access Denied" a rare occurrence, or should I have the hidden Administrator Account enabled for times like this? Or, put another way, are there other times when I might need the hidden Administrator Account, and should enable it, and have it already set up for those times?

Thanks for all the "hand-holding". I'm sorry for my ignorance.
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12 May 2010   #24
CarlTR6

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
 
 

Did you try to take ownership of the file?
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12 May 2010   #25
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu
 
 

The access denied message is generated because of the location of the file you are trying to access - all of the system areas are administrator only, so any file that is saved in the windows32 folder will not be accessible for a standard user account - either the standard user or the un-elevated administrator account.

There are various methods to work around these problems
  • Use of the Take ownership option as suggested by Johnathon_King ( EDIT and carlTR6 )
  • Running windows explorer as administrator (type explorer into the start search bar right click on the shortcut that appears and run as Admin)
  • Switch off UAC temporarily
  • Use the hidden administrator

I would personally suggest that the order shown is my preferred order

I work a lot with system files on a daily basis and I run with UAC on and the Hidden administrator still hidden without any issues - so that would be my recommendation, but of course you should use whichever method works best for you.
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12 May 2010   #26
juanantoniod

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

I actually just ran across the "take ownership tutorial" today, so no, I did not try that. But, I still wonder if I shouldn't just have the Administrator account on hand, or are these "Access Denied" messages pretty rare? FWIW, just from glancing over the tutorial, it seems easier to just execute the command to enable the hidden administrator account, than to do the take ownership tweak.
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12 May 2010   #27
juanantoniod

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 
Thanks again, Nigel!

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Barman58 View Post
The access denied message is generated because of the location of the file you are trying to access - all of the system areas are administrator only, so any file that is saved in the windows32 folder will not be accessible for a standard user account - either the standard user or the un-elevated administrator account.

There are various methods to work around these problems
  • Use of the Take ownership option as suggested by Johnathon_King ( EDIT and carlTR6 )
  • Running windows explorer as administrator (type explorer into the start search bar right click on the shortcut that appears and run as Admin)
  • Switch off UAC temporarily
  • Use the hidden administrator
I would personally suggest that the order shown is my preferred order

I work a lot with system files on a daily basis and I run with UAC on and the Hidden administrator still hidden without any issues - so that would be my recommendation, but of course you should use whichever method works best for you.
Nigel, Thanks a lot for outlining your routine. That explanation is most helpful, because I can see the methodology. And, if you keep your Hidden admin hidden, then I see no reason why I cannot do so also. I will use these as advised. It just makes sense now!

Thanks for your follow through, I appreciate it!

Take good care,
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12 May 2010   #28
WindowsStar

Windows 7 Enterprise (x64); Windows Server 2008 R2 (x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by juanantoniod View Post
WindowsStar,

Thanks for the excellent referrals! I will definitely check them out.

FWIW, I actually think that my point of view goes back to DOS, when you could do whatever you wanted on a machine, just by typing a simple command. And then Apple had to come along and screw it all up! I guess old habits die hard!
Wow DOS, yep a lot has changed since then. Back in DOS there was no malware and most of the viruses were just annoying, now-a-days they can destroy your machine or send 10 million SPAM. UGH!
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12 May 2010   #29
CarlTR6

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by juanantoniod View Post
I actually just ran across the "take ownership tutorial" today, so no, I did not try that. But, I still wonder if I shouldn't just have the Administrator account on hand, or are these "Access Denied" messages pretty rare? FWIW, just from glancing over the tutorial, it seems easier to just execute the command to enable the hidden administrator account, than to do the take ownership tweak.
It is not often that you have to use "Take Ownership". It is easier to use it than switch over to the hidden Admin account just to do one or two quick operations. I have found it works really well.

Not that I am comparing myself to Nigel by any means, but I use the same priorities he does. I rehid my hidden administrator account after experimenting with it for a few weeks.
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12 May 2010   #30
juanantoniod

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by logicearth View Post
You will want to read: Mandatory Integrity Control - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia It explains how accounts can be Administrator without Administrator power all the time. Medium = Standard User Power, High = Administrator Power.
If I didn't know better, I would swear that you were testing me with this to see if I actually went to read it, which I did. Unfortunately, it was talking about things that I am clueless about, for the most part. I got the 'gist' of it, however, so it was worthwhile. Thank you.
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