Cloud Storage (SkyDrive)

AllOnTheBus said:

Would it be possible to create a virtual server and then share
the VM with everyone involved here. Each person could then
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Just an idea but would it work - not tested here

This is not a option for my now. The other users are all technic novices.
And where should the VM run? ….

killer bee said:

i use Adrive. 50GB free space.

Don't see a way to mount it or something like this ....

Jeriff said:

box.net should be OK .

25MB File size limit.
Hmmm hard.

jimbo45 said:

Hi there
I think you've got two main problems with any decent sort of Cloud storage

1) Size -- generally FAR TOO SMALL to be of any significant use -- as for talking of under 16 GB you can easily store these on local HDD's (much much cheaper) or even a 16 GB usb stick.

But not portable as a web storage.
You missed the main aim of the tool.

jimbo45 said:

2) Bandwidth and Internet speed -- download might not be a problem but even with decent Internet connections Upload speeds are a FRACTION of the download speed so the upload of 30 GB could take a significant amount of time and if you are on some sort of capped internet usage tariff this will eat up into it big time.

In my use case there is not such a problem, so im looking for a web storage.

The goal is to share some data with a team.
Not to Back Up Movie files or something like this.
Work with big files should only be done at home where the Bandwidth is not a problem.

jimbo45 said:

Then you have issues of Security -- do you trust the provider -- stability -- what happens if the provider goes out of business or sells the service to another provider who you might not know or trust -- rather like the odious practice Banks have of selling bad debts on to debt collection agencies for pennies in the dollar and then those agencies try and collect the full amount.

It is clear that no sensitive data will be stored unencrypted in the Cloud.
Also it is not the aim back up the data there.

Jeriff said:

In face, I usually use Skydrive,for it won't shut down(Microsoft is always here with us:)), considering some other "better" service might shut down some day causing a loss of our valuable data.

Do you only use the Web interface?
Or is there a Way mounting it?
I didn' find a webDav Path or something like this

kado897 said:

You can mount SkyDrive. See this tutorial. Read all the way through the best solution is near the end. Windows Live SkyDrive - Map Drive

I hope that that will help :)

Hmm the Tutorial realy helps,
now I can use it as local storage.

But Skydrive seems to be not very fast ...
Is there a Speed limit? Can I measure that?
Also sometimes there are troubles with the access.

Are there speed diferences of SkyDrive between countryies?
I'm living in austria.

Hi all
I'm still confused as to what you would actually use this service for.
People have replied -- for big files work at home - so no cloud for large files.

So small files -- but EVERYONE (and the dog) has at least ONE mobile phone these days which is capable of 16 or even 32 GB local storage via micro SD type cards so if you need to share data you can do it via the phone's wifi interface.

I'm totally at a loss as to what you would use the Cloud storage for - especially dealing with 5GB or less -- what on Earth is the point of it.

If you want to share data with a team it's also really EASY to set up an APACHE web server - use something like WAMP (Windows) or LAMP (Linux) - these use this well and trusted Apache web server with MySQL and Php. All these tools are free BTW.

The problem with fixed limits also with these type of providers is that shared data tends to grow very rapidly (almost exponentially) if your team are effectively collaborating with each other and contributing to the "common data pool".

Running your own server means the system won't suddenly stop because someone has added a file which takes you over the limit, further it's cheaper and infintely more flexible.

Here's one example but there are ZILLIONS of others

http://www.wampserver.com/en/

and for Linux fans
https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorial...r-installation


Just having 5GB on a cloud IMO is totally useless -- just try sending two or 3 A3 professionally produced Photos etc to a 5GB limit storage device.

Cheers
jimbo

jimbo45 said:

Hi all
People have replied -- for big files work at home - so no cloud for large files.

There is a difference between _WORKING_ on files or _SHARING_ them.

jimbo45 said:

So small files -- but EVERYONE (and the dog) has at least ONE mobile phone these days which is capable of 16 or even 32 GB local storage via micro SD type cards so if you need to share data you can do it via the phone's wifi interface.

Hehe, a joke? Isn't it?
No, not everybody does have a smartphone. Thats a nonsense acceptance.
Althoug this is totaly unimportant, since a smartphone can not be compared to the internet,
but now I undersatnd that you can not imagine what advantages of the internet could be.
So, why recommand Smartphones wifi and not nomral PC HDDs?

jimbo45 said:

If you want to share data with a team it's also really EASY to set up an APACHE web server - use something like WAMP (Windows) or LAMP (Linux) - these use this well and trusted Apache web server with MySQL and Php. All these tools are free BTW.

The problem with fixed limits also with these type of providers is that shared data tends to grow very rapidly (almost exponentially) if your team are effectively collaborating with each other and contributing to the "common data pool".

Running your own server means the system won't suddenly stop because someone has added a file which takes you over the limit, further it's cheaper and infintely more flexible.

Here's one example but there are ZILLIONS of others

Install PHP 5 Apache MySQL on Windows : WampServer

and for Linux fans
https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorial...r-installation

Yes maybe it is a good Idea to run a server on my ... hmm smartphone?
Why setting up a machine, that the non profit organisation does not have and pay for.
Also, doing it the right way is not "as easy" as you think and
setting up the server is also not even the half ...

If there is a free service out there, meeting our requirements, why I should have more effort?

jimbo45 said:

Just having 5GB on a cloud IMO is totally useless -- just try sending two or 3 A3 professionally produced Photos etc to a 5GB limit storage device.

Yes, no idea ... there are no files smaller than 5GB.

kado897 said:

It's never going to be fast. It is limited by the speed of your internet and by how busy the server is.

Also seems slow at a 100/100 MBit connection (not at home )
So It should be the server

kado897 said:

I'm not totally convinced myself. I suppose the reasoning behind it is to make sure you have the same version no matter what device you access / change it on. Also useful for sharing and collaboration.

The main problems ATM are
1. Security / Privacy
2. Internet speed
3. Cost of anything above a few GB.

I can agree on this.
I think we are still in development at this point.
more services will come with more features.

If there is a need with could be full filled, why not useing it?
Don't store sensible/critical data (unencrypted).
Look at the speed, the space and the access posibilities (WebDav, Web Interface,...).
And if you are ok with it. use it.

So I'm looking for a service fullfilling our requirements.