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Windows 7: Password managers vs. Manual password management

18 Sep 2016   #11
Layback Bear

Windows 10 Pro. 64/ version 1709 Windows 7 Pro/64


I understand that one method will not suite everybody's needs.
I'm in the belief that most don't have hundreds of needed passwords.
For those that do have that many passwords, pencil and paper would not be my suggestion.

If my house burns down and destroys all my passwords so be it.
It's my fault for not having a second or third copy in other locations.
If my house burns down I will have more to worry about than passwords.
If passwords are stored on a computer, any computer any where, they are susceptible to being hacked. If one just reads a few Security Websites it should be enough information to prove that anything on a computer can be hacked.
If one understands that and still chooses to use a Password Manager so be it.

Of course this post is just my thoughts and opinions. YMMV

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19 Sep 2016   #12

W7 Pro SP1 64bit

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
If my house burns down I will have more to worry about than passwords.
As long as you can handle your finances (e.g. manual online bill pay) - you'll be fine. Many people are too tied to their online accounts. You can probably get temporary checks from your bank and pay bills that way. Some young people don't even have checking accounts. Hopefully, they will think about a disaster recovery plan.

Some have advised that it is best to immediately stop* any automated bill payments after a disaster (if you can do so without breach of contract). That lets you re-prioritize the spending of any cash on hand.

*or change to minimum payment levels

I wonder how many online accounts a normal person has to keep up with. A dozen? Of those, how many are important? (e.g. I would not need access to many forums right away.)
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19 Sep 2016   #13
Layback Bear

Windows 10 Pro. 64/ version 1709 Windows 7 Pro/64

Silly old me I didn't think of how some people are tied to online payments or automatic payments.
I still pay all my bills with old fashion checks using snail mail.
I still get my bank statements through snail mail.
When I need extra cash I still have to walk in the banks front door and do a withdrawal with pen and paper.

That is why I believe that one method will not meet every persons needs.
I'm glad to see that WindowRobin is looking into options and asking questions.
Passwords and I.D. numbers are such a big part of todays life, it's a good thing to understand the proper storage and use of them.

***Is it possible to use a Password program from a thumb drive and only plug it in when needed?
That should give some degree of security.
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19 Sep 2016   #14

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1

Got a super sized DonationCoder newsletter today. One of the links inside was:

Comparative review of password managers -

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I use LastPass (browser plugin). Advantages are using complex passwords to auto login to websites.

RE: LastPass hacks. I've been notified about those twice and both times they stated that the master password was possibly compromised. There's no problem with that as long as the password is changed and was not used for other sites.

For really important passwords (banking, email login etc) - those passwords are stored only in my brain.

Portable: You can try LastPass Pocket. I prefer the browser extension.

or KeePass Portable:

Downloads - KeePass

Also I used Dashlane in the past:

Probably the most secure password manager but can be tricky to configure and needs to be running in the background all the time.
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20 Sep 2016   #15

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit

I have my own system for passwords.

I have codes that I have made up that act as clues to about 25 different passwords.
For instance, one clue is CH. That stands for "childhood home".
The password for that is a street number,name and town.

I keep the master list of passwords and clues at home.

When I log in to a new site, I add the name of the site to my phone's address book.
Under the notes section, I add the clue for the password.
This way I can look up passwords for any login I need at any time by clue only.
The passwords are never on my phone and the clues have nothing to do with the password (except to me)
My passwords and clues have become quite imaginative over the years and I keep adding to the list.
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20 Sep 2016   #16

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit

I also don't like the idea of handing over my passwords to someone else to manage.
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07 Oct 2016   #17

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (OEM)

If you're OK with writing down your passwords, then you have almost nothing to lose by moving to a password manager -- and much to gain. The main problem with password managers is you still have to remember a master password, and it obviously needs to be pretty strong.

Writing down passwords means they can be lost, stolen by burglars (who might then use them) or even by people you know and would be intent on harming you, or destroyed by fire. If you're ready to run those risks for individual passwords, then you're ready to run it for a master password. In fact, mix both methods : learn your master password by heart, the way it should theoretically be done for maximum security, write it down several times, and store at least one copy offsite, in a bank safe for instance.

The digital part of your password vault is almost impossible to lose if you do things properly : the database is encrypted, it cannot be hacked if you don't rely on cloud password managers but store it instead locally, and you can (and should) make several copies of it, on different hardware. At least one of those copies should be stored in the cloud (or at least offsite).

It's not as risky as relying on a cloud password manager, provided you do it right by encrypting the file before it leaves your home or office. Which it already is, since any offline password manager worth its salt (pun intended) encrypts its database.

If you want both belt and suspenders, you could even chose an end-to-end encrypted, zero-knowledge cloud provider such as Spider Oak (United States), pCloud (Switzerland), Tresorit (Italy), Team Drive (Germany) or (Canada), which, by technical design, cannot look into your files or pass them on, in clear text, to your government. This is in contrast to the big providers such as Google Drive, Microsoft OneDrive or Dropbox, which encrypt your files... but keep the key, and reserve the right to look into them in their EULA. (Of course, they cannot do that if you have, yourself, provided the encryption before using theirs.)

If you want free storage, the only zero-knowledge provider I've found is, which offered 5 Gb the last time I checked. More than enough for a password database.
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