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Windows 7: rumors "microsoft might buy symantic"

14 Sep 2010   #11
saakeman

windows 7 ( ultimate) /xp (home)
 
 

hi all
great posts

i am using mse (microsoft security essentails)
the whole reason of this post are to give some idees as for making windows more securer
and to try and incorporate such security ellement in windows control panel
but please keep on debating

thanks
saakeman



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14 Sep 2010   #12
Borg 386

Win 7 32 Home Premium, Win 7 64 Pro, Win 8.1, Win 10
 
 

All I can say is it wouldn't surprise me...McAfee and Intel are sleeping in the same bed

Why not have a few other partner up?
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14 Sep 2010   #13
saakeman

windows 7 ( ultimate) /xp (home)
 
 

but mcafee has gone down the drain with there security
thats my piont of veiw

thanks
saakeman
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14 Sep 2010   #14
Borg 386

Win 7 32 Home Premium, Win 7 64 Pro, Win 8.1, Win 10
 
 

It could well be we're seeing the future of AV companies changing.

Intel, for example, mentioned that it would incorporate hardwired instructions of the AV on a chip, thus making it harder for a virus to get past since it would have to override the code.

That could be a swing point, if Intel can improve McAfee (and God knows they have their work cut out for them) this could be a selling point, having an "integrated" AV. That would give them an edge over AMD.

What concern this is to MS is somewhat cryptic. I would have expected AMD to hop into bed with Norton next. But who knows, maybe they will combine the codes to some extent. Who knows...

It's hard to tell if the Intel/McAfee combo will even make it, some are predicting it won't. But you have to admit, McAfee's track record is less then stellar lately and any help they could get would be a plus.

Like I said, it wouldn't surprise me if it happened...probably rumors, but not surprising if it does
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15 Sep 2010   #15
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Borg 386 View Post
It could well be we're seeing the future of AV companies changing.

Intel, for example, mentioned that it would incorporate hardwired instructions of the AV on a chip, thus making it harder for a virus to get past since it would have to override the code.

That could be a swing point, if Intel can improve McAfee (and God knows they have their work cut out for them) this could be a selling point, having an "integrated" AV. That would give them an edge over AMD.

What concern this is to MS is somewhat cryptic. I would have expected AMD to hop into bed with Norton next. But who knows, maybe they will combine the codes to some extent. Who knows...

It's hard to tell if the Intel/McAfee combo will even make it, some are predicting it won't. But you have to admit, McAfee's track record is less then stellar lately and any help they could get would be a plus.

Like I said, it wouldn't surprise me if it happened...probably rumors, but not surprising if it does

Hi there
How could you build AV code into a CPU chip which is just executing a set of Machine code instructions -- there ISN'T AN OS at this point so how could it "protect" itself from a Virus.

C'mon guys -- just think for a minute ----What does a VIRUS actually attempt to do.

Usually it wants to mess around with the OS and destroy or extract data and transmit to person or person(s) unknown.

Now in a bare CPU there IS NO OS, you haven't loaded a file system so there's no data to destroy and in any case the CPU doesn't even know what OS you are going to boot -- could be Windows (any version) Linux any distro or even something like VMWARE's ESXi or equivalent.

Having "Virus" protection in the hardware sounds like a nice idea but until the whole OS is embedded in the CPU chip it 'Ain't going to happen.

Cheers

jimbo
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15 Sep 2010   #16
Tews

64-bit Windows 8.1 Pro
 
 

^^^ This...

Thanks Jim!
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15 Sep 2010   #17
jav

Windows 7 Ultimate x86 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Borg 386 View Post
It could well be we're seeing the future of AV companies changing.

Intel, for example, mentioned that it would incorporate hardwired instructions of the AV on a chip, thus making it harder for a virus to get past since it would have to override the code.

That could be a swing point, if Intel can improve McAfee (and God knows they have their work cut out for them) this could be a selling point, having an "integrated" AV. That would give them an edge over AMD.

What concern this is to MS is somewhat cryptic. I would have expected AMD to hop into bed with Norton next. But who knows, maybe they will combine the codes to some extent. Who knows...

It's hard to tell if the Intel/McAfee combo will even make it, some are predicting it won't. But you have to admit, McAfee's track record is less then stellar lately and any help they could get would be a plus.

Like I said, it wouldn't surprise me if it happened...probably rumors, but not surprising if it does

Hi there
How could you build AV code into a CPU chip which is just executing a set of Machine code instructions -- there ISN'T AN OS at this point so how could it "protect" itself from a Virus.

C'mon guys -- just think for a minute ----What does a VIRUS actually attempt to do.

Usually it wants to mess around with the OS and destroy or extract data and transmit to person or person(s) unknown.

Now in a bare CPU there IS NO OS, you haven't loaded a file system so there's no data to destroy and in any case the CPU doesn't even know what OS you are going to boot -- could be Windows (any version) Linux any distro or even something like VMWARE's ESXi or equivalent.

Having "Virus" protection in the hardware sounds like a nice idea but until the whole OS is embedded in the CPU chip it 'Ain't going to happen.

Cheers

jimbo
Everyone used to believe that people can not fly. But look now, we ARE flying.

In my opinion, it can and will happen. development in IT isn't staying in one place. Progress is going.

And why so much hater towards it?
Intel is far from first company in research of hardware Antivirus.

Well, I hope we all still remember that earlier this year Kaspersky got patent for Hardware Antivirus:
Kaspersky Lab patents cutting-edge hardware antivirus solution

See, they already even have a patent.
So, basically in my opinion saying it is impossible is being fundamentalist. Have faith in the future! It is possible.
We are not living in golden age, and there are a lot of things we yet have to discover
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15 Sep 2010   #18
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi there
No I don't think we are Intel haters.

My position with regard to a Hardware AV is STILL VALID. Until you have a FILE SYSTEM of some kind you won't have any DATA to destroy, or tamper with.

This is part of a NATURAL law just as a Prime number on Earth is STILL a prime number on the planet ZOG and WILL STILL BE a prime number in 20 Billion years time.

If of course the CPU comes built in with the OS etc then that's another issue but building an OS into the CPU will certainly reduce the flexibility of the product - unless you want all computers to become essentially smart phones -- a HORRIBLE IDEA.

I still stand by what I said -- It Ain't gonna happen.

Cheers
jimbo
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15 Sep 2010   #19
Borg 386

Win 7 32 Home Premium, Win 7 64 Pro, Win 8.1, Win 10
 
 

It's been a while since I read the article, but here is a quote from the story. It won't be inbedded in the actual CPU chip apparently....

Quote:
Don't expect to see security software hardwired onto the chip, said Tim Bajarin, president of analyst company Creative Strategies. Rather, there will likely be a bridge on the core CPU (central processing unit) to a security element, much like there are bridges to additional graphics chips and modems, he said.
"This particular deal allows Intel and McAfee to work together to tie future generations of software security to the processor via some sort of SOC (system-on-a-chip) solution," Bajarin said. "Today if a hacker wants to come into a system it almost always is done through software. But Intel and McAfee are capable of adding even another level of security, which would make a hacker have to break the hardware code as well as the software code."
Here's the whole article:

With McAfee deal, Intel to bake in security | InSecurity Complex - CNET News
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15 Sep 2010   #20
jav

Windows 7 Ultimate x86 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Hi there
No I don't think we are Intel haters.

My position with regard to a Hardware AV is STILL VALID. Until you have a FILE SYSTEM of some kind you won't have any DATA to destroy, or tamper with.

This is part of a NATURAL law just as a Prime number on Earth is STILL a prime number on the planet ZOG and WILL STILL BE a prime number in 20 Billion years time.

If of course the CPU comes built in with the OS etc then that's another issue but building an OS into the CPU will certainly reduce the flexibility of the product - unless you want all computers to become essentially smart phones -- a HORRIBLE IDEA.

I still stand by what I said -- It Ain't gonna happen.

Cheers
jimbo
Yes, sorry, didn't mean to offend anyone.
Everyone has right to his own opinion, and I do respect you point.

But I don't think the largest acquisition in IT security was done just for the sake of it.
And Intel clearly stated that this acquisition was meant for development of "Hardware-enhanced security"
(Intel to Acquire McAfee)

It dose not have to mean that they will integrate it into the chip.

I already showed you the example of Kaspersky:
Quote:
The patented device is installed between a drive (hard drive or SSD) and the computing unit (CPU and RAM) and is connected to the system bus or integrated into the disk controller. The hardware antivirus solution allows or blocks writing data to disk, providing threat alerts and information about its operation to the user (user dialog is possible if the hardware antivirus control utility is installed on the PC). The device can work on a standalone basis or in conjunction with a software antivirus application.
Quote:
The patented device uses its own updateable antivirus databases that are protected from malicious code and faulty records during updates. Since the device has a CPU and RAM of its own, it does not consume any resources on the computer to which it is connected. A separate power supply can be connected to it if necessary.
Intel can create similar system with McAfee just like Kaspersky.

But, who knows?
Maybe I am wrong and you are right...
Time will show.
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