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Windows 7: Microsoft Security Essentials: Upgrade

13 Oct 2010   #11
karlsnooks

MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit
 
 

Actually not sneaky, although not well-publicized that MSE would also be used to validate.


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13 Oct 2010   #12
eldinv

DOS^
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by dockster View Post
This update includes some type of genuine validation check. One of my systems did not pass (ironically its a windows ultimate rec'd directly from MS). I rolled back via System Restore Points and will deal with it later.

So its still sneaky of them to include WGA Validator in an upgrade to MSE. Its not just an enhanced checker for MSE. It then puts a "this copy of windows is not genuine" message on the desktop lower right corner.

I saw no mention of a WGA Validator. Did you do an update or a first time install?

That was the only time I saw something about a validation check.

Weird
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13 Oct 2010   #13
Orbital Shark

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by eldinv View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by dockster View Post
This update includes some type of genuine validation check. One of my systems did not pass (ironically its a windows ultimate rec'd directly from MS). I rolled back via System Restore Points and will deal with it later.

So its still sneaky of them to include WGA Validator in an upgrade to MSE. Its not just an enhanced checker for MSE. It then puts a "this copy of windows is not genuine" message on the desktop lower right corner.

I saw no mention of a WGA Validator. Did you do an update or a first time install?

That was the only time I saw something about a validation check.

Weird
You're correct

The upgrade has no mention or use of WGA. The only time it 'Validates' is when performing a new install of MSE on the 3rd screen you click 'Validate' then seconds later you have a 'This copy of Windows passed genuine validation'.

They may have made slight changes to the way it detects 'Genuine' software as a measure to counter piracy but there's nothing sneaky about that in a fresh install

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13 Oct 2010   #14
LiquidSnak

W7 Professional x64
 
 

No issues for install, and it's scanning faster on a full scan for me
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13 Oct 2010   #15
eldinv

DOS^
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by LiquidSnak View Post
No issues for install, and it's scanning faster on a full scan for me
Not complaining, but it takes me less than one minute to do a quick scan.
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13 Oct 2010   #16
mr pc

Windows 7
 
 

Lovely - I had a bad feeling I'd get an error and lo and behold. I have threatfire on my machine as well - could that be the problem?!?

wtf

Appears there are 12 critical security updates as well (as announced?)

Uninstalled - dl the file from MSE site and still no dice

why does this keep happening? And if it has anything to do with my windows installer - how do I fix that? Just poked into my registry and the install isn't prompting to update. The common user wouldn't know any better and would be completely lost. MS needs to fix this stupidity.

And the installion STOPS again. DEAD IN THE WATER


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13 Oct 2010   #17
mr pc

Windows 7
 
 

Fixed!

How? I don't know - I just kept mashing buttons like Street Fighter

actually some steps I took - uninstalled threatfire (after downloading their uninstaller...geez!)

ran some random MS fixit tool I had sitting on my HD - reran the MSE install - same error, tried again and blam! It magically installed



I really wish there was a rhyme or reason to that error code - it appears there are many causes and possible fixes ( been there, done that before ). There must be a secret reg key somewhere....
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13 Oct 2010   #18
dockster

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Orbital Shark View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by eldinv View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by dockster View Post
This update includes some type of genuine validation check. One of my systems did not pass (ironically its a windows ultimate rec'd directly from MS). I rolled back via System Restore Points and will deal with it later.

So its still sneaky of them to include WGA Validator in an upgrade to MSE. Its not just an enhanced checker for MSE. It then puts a "this copy of windows is not genuine" message on the desktop lower right corner.

I saw no mention of a WGA Validator. Did you do an update or a first time install?

That was the only time I saw something about a validation check.

Weird
You're correct

The upgrade has no mention or use of WGA. The only time it 'Validates' is when performing a new install of MSE on the 3rd screen you click 'Validate' then seconds later you have a 'This copy of Windows passed genuine validation'.

They may have made slight changes to the way it detects 'Genuine' software as a measure to counter piracy but there's nothing sneaky about that in a fresh install

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I installed the update only, not a clean install. I rolled it back. I'll do it again and then take a screen shot to show you all.

EDIT: Just installed the upgrade again. Installed it through Windows Update -- didn't install any other updates, only the MSE Client Upgrade. Here's the screenshot...


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13 Oct 2010   #19
LiquidSnak

W7 Professional x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mr pc View Post
Fixed!

How? I don't know - I just kept mashing buttons like Street Fighter
Holy crap this cracked me up.

I'm glad you got it figured out
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14 Oct 2010   #20
Subsonic

Windows7 x64 7600 16385
 
 

I've been running MSE 2 beta when I see they just updated version 1. Now what to do? 2 beta has been working well but now I wonder if I'm better protected with the updated v1 or the older 2 beta...
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