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Windows 7: Norton Internet Security 2011

17 Oct 2010   #21
Digerati

Windows 7 Profession 64-bit
 
 

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Computer manufacturers & Microsoft...
Huh? That makes no sense at all to me. It sounds like something Microsoft bashers would use. I am sorry, but it appears you are not following this conversation. PC makers don't profit from malware. And as I noted before, Microsoft has NO incentive to let malware proliferate. Why? Because Microsoft bashers and the biased IT press already blame Microsoft for the security mess we are in even though it is the badguys, not Microsoft, that put us here. Microsoft does not sell security programs so again, they don't profit from it. In fact, the security situation, again fueled by bashers, have led many users to flock to Linux, Firefox and other alternatives to Microsoft products.

And the very fact Windows 7 is more secure is an indication Microsoft does take security seriously. Also, the improved security of IE8 and now IE9 - plus the improved Windows Firewall, and the free Microsoft Security Essentials all demonstrate Microsoft's anti-malware efforts.

Just as it is no longer appropriate to blame the current version of NIS for the sins of previous versions, we cannot blame Microsoft, or PC makers for the security situation badguys put us in.


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17 Oct 2010   #22
CarlTR6

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Digerati View Post
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Computer manufacturers & Microsoft...
Huh? That makes no sense at all to me. It sounds like something Microsoft bashers would use. I am sorry, but it appears you are not following this conversation. PC makers don't profit from malware. And as I noted before, Microsoft has NO incentive to let malware proliferate. Why? Because Microsoft bashers and the biased IT press already blame Microsoft for the security mess we are in even though it is the badguys, not Microsoft, that put us here. Microsoft does not sell security programs so again, they don't profit from it. In fact, the security situation, again fueled by bashers, have led many users to flock to Linux, Firefox and other alternatives to Microsoft products.

And the very fact Windows 7 is more secure is an indication Microsoft does take security seriously. Also, the improved security of IE8 and now IE9 - plus the improved Windows Firewall, and the free Microsoft Security Essentials all demonstrate Microsoft's anti-malware efforts.

Just as it is no longer appropriate to blame the current version of NIS for the sins of previous versions, we cannot blame Microsoft, or PC makers for the security situation badguys put us in.
Very well stated, Bill.
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17 Oct 2010   #23
madtownidiot

 

I'm not bashing microsoft. It's not bashing something to make a statement based in facts. I thoroughly enjoy using microsoft products, and I have spent about $18000 on windows 7 30-packs so far this year to upgrade used but relatively new computers to windows 7 for resale, and for installation in computers I've built myself, but some of microsoft's business practices are less than honorable to say the least.. and my experience with people in general is they don't change. They may apologize for wrongdoing when they get caught and even stop for a while, but when somebody gets away with something more than once.. they're going to find another way to do it again after they get caught.
Microsoft, computer manufacturers, and internet security software companies have plenty of incentive to allow malware to proliferate.. for Microsoft, Symantec, McAfee, and computer manufacturers.. every new, more inherently secure computer means a new windows license and a new subscription to the security software that is almost always manditorily preloaded.. for companies like Symantec.. it's also matter of survival, if they ever created a product that didn't allow new, unrecognized malicious software to enter the system, nobody would ever need to buy their newest version.
Now if you want to stick your head in the mud and ignore reality that is your choice, but the facts remain
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17 Oct 2010   #24
Digerati

Windows 7 Profession 64-bit
 
 

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It's not bashing something to make a statement based in facts.
Okay, What are the facts then? You have stated none that are applicable or valid.
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for Microsoft, Symantec, McAfee, and computer manufacturers.. every new, more inherently secure computer means a new windows license and a new subscription to the security software that is almost always manditorily preloaded..
No! That is simply wrong - totally invalid! New windows license? What does that have to do with security? You are just bashing! The fact a new computer needs a new Windows license has absolutely nothing to do with security, malware, or subscriptions to security software. And neither does Microsoft's past lousy (I agree with your there) business practices. I am sorry, but you are simply bashing Microsoft for bashing's sake. You are making connections where no connections are warranted. As a clear example of your biases, the fully capable MSE is totally free.

My head is not buried in the sand. I'm standing tall and my eyes are wide open and looking around at today's security environment.

Don't get me wrong - I have and will bash Microsoft again - when due! Their strong armed marketing practices of the past are something I, as long time builder and supplier of custom built PCs, have complained about plenty, on forums like this, and to Microsoft. But Microsoft has made a turnaround in terms of their stance on security since unjustly enduring over 10 years of bashing for XP. And I say unjust because it was. XP was designed to support insecure, legacy, DOS era hardware and software because users (mostly corporate) insisted it should as they did not want to have to pay to retool again, as they did with Win95. Microsoft started this turnaround with XP SP3. Then the purchase of Giant Antispyware (renamed to Windows Defender), which they then gave away free. Then IE7, 8, and now 9, continue to increase security. Windows Firewall is an excellent firewall, and free. And again MSE has continued to garner excellent test results and is free too.

Once again, Microsoft does not sell anti-malware software. They see no benefit when a computer gets infected. You are 100% right about Symantec and McAfee, but you cannot lump Microsoft with them. They are totally different entities.
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17 Oct 2010   #25
Maxxwire

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by malexous View Post
It's 2010 and the 2011 version of Norton is released...

Uses about 10MB on my machine. Doesn't seem bloated to me.
Please don't be offended, but as a former Norton user I'd really enjoy seeing a screenshot
of Task Manager showing all the instances of NIS 2011 totaling 10 MB RAM.

~Maxx~
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17 Oct 2010   #26
madtownidiot

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maxxwire View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by malexous View Post
It's 2010 and the 2011 version of Norton is released...

Uses about 10MB on my machine. Doesn't seem bloated to me.
Please don't be offended, but as a former Norton user I'd really enjoy seeing a screenshot
of Task Manager showing all the instances of NIS 2011 totaling 10 MB RAM.

~Maxx~
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just for comparison purposes...
Here's a screenshot of CIS 5.0 immediately after startup
Attachment 105516
and one after the initial scan for updates is complete
Attachment 105517
on a dell xt-2 with 2GB RAM running 7 ultimate..other systems might use more or less memory
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18 Oct 2010   #27
Maxxwire

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 



Since I run my browser in the virtual space of Sandboxie which acts like a Malware jail I just have the Comodo Firewall and Defense+ installed which as you can see requires only 5.2 MB of RAM instead of the 8.94 MB of RAM the full CIS Suite runs for on your computer.

Before Sandboxie put the Comodo AV out of business on my computer by trapping Malware before affect the computer I ran the whole CIS Suite and I am quite familiar with the huge amount of system resources that are required to do an AV definitions update.

~Maxx~
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18 Oct 2010   #28
madtownidiot

 

very interesting idea.. I tried it using the comodo sandbox and it works.. even lets me upload pics..
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18 Oct 2010   #29
yowanvista

Windows 10 Pro x64, Arch Linux
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot View Post
very interesting idea.. I tried it using the comodo sandbox and it works.. even lets me upload pics..
Attachment 105573Attachment 105574
Seems comodo is doing a good job too
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18 Oct 2010   #30
madtownidiot

 

been trying to find some malware sites.. to test that too
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