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Windows 7: Norton Internet Security 2011

18 Oct 2010   #31
Maxxwire

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot View Post
very interesting idea.. I tried it using the comodo sandbox and it works.. even lets me upload pics..
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The main difference between the Comodo Sandbox and Sandboxie is that Sandboxie lets you program in special file paths for things like new bookmarks and passwords so that when the browser comes out of the Sandbox it retains that information in its app data files.

I tried using my browser in the Comodo Sandbox and it operates just fine, but when the browser comes out of the Comodo Sandbox its app data files are exactly the same as when it went into the Comodo Sandbox.

~Maxx~
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18 Oct 2010   #32
malexous

Arch Linux 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maxxwire View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by malexous View Post
It's 2010 and the 2011 version of Norton is released...

Uses about 10MB on my machine. Doesn't seem bloated to me.
Please don't be offended, but as a former Norton user I'd really enjoy seeing a screenshot
of Task Manager showing all the instances of NIS 2011 totaling 10 MB RAM.

~Maxx~
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This was taken on September 10 after surfing in Firefox with 11 tabs open and downloading large files for half an hour.

8.4MB



Edit: Anyway, unless you have less than 1GB RAM, it isn't going to make much of a difference on the computer performance. Half an hour isn't long enough for a proper measure but if you look at the CPU Time, I/O Reads and I/O Writes, you can get a sense of the low numbers I see when I measure them for longer.
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18 Oct 2010   #33
madtownidiot

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maxxwire View Post

I tried using my browser in the Comodo Sandbox and it operates just fine, but when the browser comes out of the Comodo Sandbox its app data files are exactly the same as when it went into the Comodo Sandbox.

~Maxx~
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That's exactly what I want to happen.. a perfect way to stop a browser from slowing down over time
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18 Oct 2010   #34
Maxxwire

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot View Post
That's exactly what I want to happen..
Its also a very safe way to surf the Internet although you are prevented from downloading programs or anything else to the computer while the browser is in the Comodo Sandbox where as Sandboxie allows user authorized downloads. My preference is to scan programs with Virus Total before downloading them from the virtual space of Sandboxie into the 'real' computer.

~Maxx~
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18 Oct 2010   #35
madtownidiot

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maxxwire View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot View Post
That's exactly what I want to happen..
Its also a very safe way to surf the Internet although you are prevented from downloading programs or anything else to the computer while the browser is in the Comodo Sandbox where as Sandboxie allows user authorized downloads. My preference is to scan programs with Virus Total before downloading them from the virtual space of Sandboxie into the 'real' computer.

~Maxx~
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What I have done is set firefox to be automatically sandboxed as limited, and anytime I want to download something, I just open up IE and download it from there
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18 Oct 2010   #36
Maxxwire

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot View Post
[What I have done is set firefox to be automatically sandboxed as limited, and anytime I want to download something, I just open up IE and download it from there
You are not leaving your AV with a whole lot to do in fact if your computer is by itself and not on a LAN your AV won't have a thing to do as long as you use Virus Total or an on demand scanner to check everything you download from the Internet.

~Maxx~
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29 Oct 2010   #37
malexous

Arch Linux 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot View Post
I am in fact referring to NIS 2010/2011, which is pretty useless against rogue AVs. source.
I have removed rogue av infections from several computers that had NIS 2010
I fail to see how that shows that Norton is useless against rogue AVs.

Norton 2011 performs much better than 2010 against rogues and their scripts in my (insignificant?) tests.
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30 Oct 2010   #38
Maxxwire

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by malexous View Post
I fail to see how that shows that Norton is useless against rogue AVs.
He is referring to the Matousec Proactive Security Challenge where Norton 2010 only got a 40% score and not recommended status...



Soon we will know how Norton 2011 does in the rigerous 148 security tests that Matousec administers hopefully it will be able to pass more than 59 by then.

~Maxx~
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30 Oct 2010   #39
malexous

Arch Linux 64-bit
 
 

What part of Matousec tests rogues?

For anyone that hasn't read my post, don't pay attention to Matousec results regarding products like Look 'n' Stop and Mamutu except to realise that they don't contain HIPS. https://www.sevenforums.com/1025206-post40.html

Also, Norton was tested only in 6/10 tests/levels.
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30 Oct 2010   #40
Digerati

Windows 7 Profession 64-bit
 
 

I have a problem with this rogue issue too. I mean why would you be installing another AV program if you already have NIS?

I also have a problem with Matousec's testing methodology. They test using a 10 year-old operating system that was designed to support DOS-era hardware. Why not test with Windows 7?

They don't include Windows Firewall or MSE? Why not? If nothing else, they provide a baseline although actually, since migrating my systems to Win7, I use both and see no reason to change that.

Also, they say they don't test "dead" products but they have Sunbelt Personal Firewall listed but as you can plainly see, it does not support Windows 7 and is 32-bit only. That's dead, IMO.

Finally, I never rely on one review. And when recommending security app to my clients, I advise them to review these testing sites:
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