Windows 7 Forums
Welcome to Windows 7 Forums. Our forum is dedicated to helping you find support and solutions for any problems regarding your Windows 7 PC be it Dell, HP, Acer, Asus or a custom build. We also provide an extensive Windows 7 tutorial section that covers a wide range of tips and tricks.


Windows 7: MSE or Paid AV?

28 Mar 2011   #31
malexous

Arch Linux 64-bit
 
 

From the second link:

Norton Antivirus 2011 - 26.63 seconds
Norton Internet Security 2011 - 26.92 seconds
Norton 360 Version 5.0 - 29.50 seconds.


My System SpecsSystem Spec
.
28 Mar 2011   #32
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mjf View Post
The figure linked to by malexous in post #28 are for Norton Antivirus.
Norton 360 is much longer.
It's not clear what the NIS figure is.

Personally 10 seconds here or there doesn't bother me.
That may explain my confusion. I never used Norton 360 - only NIS.

Just saw those figures. They were on the next thread page. Those look like it is nearly the same. Question is what boot disk they used for the nums.

Quote:
Norton Antivirus 2011 - 26.63 seconds
Norton Internet Security 2011 - 26.92 seconds
Norton 360 Version 5.0 - 29.50 seconds.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
28 Mar 2011   #33
malexous

Arch Linux 64-bit
 
 

Check page fifty-seven for hardware used and page fifty-eight for procedure used in the PassMark test and this page for Raymond.CC's.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
.

28 Mar 2011   #34
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by malexous View Post
Check page fifty-seven for hardware used and page fifty-eight for procedure used in the PassMark test and this page for Raymond.CC's.
Yeah, they used a 7200RPM HDD - no wonder it is slow.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
28 Mar 2011   #35
gazz9496

 
 

as someone that constantly removes viruses from peoples machines i come across 3 main anti virus apps macafee avg free/paid and norton, i honestly couldn't recommend any of those at the moment.

the other issue alot of people with norton end up with is being completly blocked from the internet untill the package is completly removed from the system, i complete pain in the ass for users and oddly norton is now what i check for first when i see those.

personally i use eset nod 32 on 2 machines and i find it non intrusive yet quick to catch stuff doesn't slow my machine on startup i did notice it after i changed the event launcher stupidly and had 12 scans running...see sig lol.

but then eset works for me, and thats ok but i'll put my eyes out with hot pokers before i could recommend norton at the moment, biggest pile of over inflated pointlessly shiney dog poo ever to grace a computer.

but then i have to constantly remove the stupid thing so people can get back online to do stuff like work so ye i hate it, the norton removal tool is currently my most used app.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
28 Mar 2011   #36
malexous

Arch Linux 64-bit
 
 

Everything causes problems for someone. Norton is not alone in breaking internet connections.

I know two others that remove viruses as a main job or a side job and if the customer wants a paid solution, they install a Norton product. Since installing Norton, no customer has come back with further problems.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
31 Mar 2011   #37
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by yowanvista View Post
MSE is good but it is not advanced as other AVs, it won't protect you against most online attacks and won't be a good choice if you download a lot...
Use Norton 360 since you got it for free

The new versions of Norton are light on system resources

Hi there
PLEASE QUOTE CHAPTER AND VERSE for the totally LUDICROUS and UTTERLY absurd statement here.

If you really believe that MSE won't protect you against most online attacks I suggest you go back to reading Computer Basics.

I don't like to be nasty but its these "Pontificating" statements posted without ANY supporting evidence that give this whole area of comparing AV software a really bad name.

I can honestly say in over 40 YEARS of consistently downloading stuff I've NEVER EVER had a virus -- and I've only started using AV software in the last 2 years.

USERS are usually the problem not the AV software --however thats a totalluy different issue.

MSE might not be as good as some - who can really tell -- but it WILL leave people decently protected. No AV software can ever be 100% watertight -- but there is no way that MSE will miss MOST online threats either.

Cheers
jimbo
My System SpecsSystem Spec
31 Mar 2011   #38
seth500

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by yowanvista View Post
MSE is good but it is not advanced as other AVs, it won't protect you against most online attacks and won't be a good choice if you download a lot...
Use Norton 360 since you got it for free

The new versions of Norton are light on system resources

Hi there
PLEASE QUOTE CHAPTER AND VERSE for the totally LUDICROUS and UTTERLY absurd statement here.

If you really believe that MSE won't protect you against most online attacks I suggest you go back to reading Computer Basics.

I don't like to be nasty but its these "Pontificating" statements posted without ANY supporting evidence that give this whole area of comparing AV software a really bad name.

I can honestly say in over 40 YEARS of consistently downloading stuff I've NEVER EVER had a virus -- and I've only started using AV software in the last 2 years.

USERS are usually the problem not the AV software --however thats a totalluy different issue.

MSE might not be as good as some - who can really tell -- but it WILL leave people decently protected. No AV software can ever be 100% watertight -- but there is no way that MSE will miss MOST online threats either.

Cheers
jimbo
I agree with jim on this statement, you have to be wise about where you get your downloads from and what activities you are performing with the computer. Go to adult websites and your bound to get some crap and also torrent sites and illegal downloading, the reason for so many viruses in the last little while have actually been put out by the product companies who offer the software for those who want to do it the illegal way and download torrents then thats where they put their product, it may seem that I'm going off on a limb here but it's true, backdoor trojans are the most popular viruses out there and what better way to find out if the product is genuine or not. As far as AV software-thats you choice and preference I feel that my Outpost Security Suite and Sandboxie do a superb job even though they are not free but I have never been a strong believer in "free" you get what you pay for you just have to find what's best for you....
My System SpecsSystem Spec
31 Mar 2011   #39
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi there
Of course use whatever you feel is good -- my take on Sandboxie is that you can achieve the same protection FREE by using a Virtual Machine to test / download software on and then migrate it to your REAL machine --however again a different issue.

The point I was trying to make here is not that MSE is the best security package out there but I was refuting the OP's suggestion that it would not detect most of the current online threats --which obviously is clearly and utterly ABSURD.

Whatever package you use these days whether paid for or Free will certainly detect at least 90% of current threats out there.

If you believe that it's worth paying for what you feel is extra protection --that's fine but again I'm saying for most normal users who aren't continually downloading illegal music or browing warez sites MSE is perfectly adequate.

Cheers

jimbo
My System SpecsSystem Spec
31 Mar 2011   #40
Stratos

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 / OS X Snow Leopard 10.6.8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by yowanvista View Post
MSE is good but it is not advanced as other AVs, it won't protect you against most online attacks and won't be a good choice if you download a lot...
Use Norton 360 since you got it for free

The new versions of Norton are light on system resources

Hi there
PLEASE QUOTE CHAPTER AND VERSE for the totally LUDICROUS and UTTERLY absurd statement here.

If you really believe that MSE won't protect you against most online attacks I suggest you go back to reading Computer Basics.

I don't like to be nasty but its these "Pontificating" statements posted without ANY supporting evidence that give this whole area of comparing AV software a really bad name.

I can honestly say in over 40 YEARS of consistently downloading stuff I've NEVER EVER had a virus -- and I've only started using AV software in the last 2 years.

USERS are usually the problem not the AV software --however thats a totalluy different issue.

MSE might not be as good as some - who can really tell -- but it WILL leave people decently protected. No AV software can ever be 100% watertight -- but there is no way that MSE will miss MOST online threats either.

Cheers
jimbo
Agreed. Many people merely repeat what others post on the internet, read a few reviews online and think they really understand what's going on.

The biggest threats come from when you access unknown sources, like a hard drive that doesn't belong to you, a website filled with malicious code, P2P software where some may share out rogue apps posing as legit files. As far as legit sites go, a lot of the first line defense is actually on their web server. For example our company's web server is backed by an enterprise level Sophos Server which monitors all incoming and outgoing connections. It's not very likely that anyone will download any viruses as a result.

However there's no requirement to have any web server backed by any form of antivirus software so that's the reason why you use AV on your personal machine in the first place. The second being is to help mitigate the spread of viruses.

Like Jimbo I haven't seen a virus in years and I deal with hundreds and thousands of computers. The last time I saw one was back in 2005 when I picked up an old hard drive, wondered what was on it, discovered it had a few variants of the ILOVEYOU on an IMESH download folder. However nearly all of the threats come in the form of malware. For that unless you're lazier than I am, you can easily protect yourself using a few free applications.

Where the AV products are not equal are in 2 areas, their anti-malware engine (usually bundled along with the AV software) and the software's heuristic capabilities, which means the ability for it to identify a suspicious file without triggering false positives that isn't in its native definition files.

Going back to the original topic, as far as AV is concerned, Norton is NOT better than MSE. Where MSE is weak is with its MsMpEng.exe when it tries to scan in the background. Microsoft needs to tweak it some to make it more efficient but overall it still does a great job for what it is.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Reply

 MSE or Paid AV?




Thread Tools




Similar help and support threads
Thread Forum
What is the BEST uninstaller (free and/or paid)?
I've been wondering for a while what program to use when some stubborn programs just do NOT want to be uninstalled (i.e Antivirus programs...) So, according to your own experience, which uninstaller would you use to get rid off a program?
Software
Best Paid AV Suite
I did not want to make a poll but what Antivirus Suite do you think is the best? I am talking about a suite such as Avast Internet Security, or KIS ...etc? Just curious.
System Security
Is EaseUS ToDoBackup Free going away to be paid for only?
Noticed on their website, that you cannot hardly discover the link to the "Free" version of the software anymore. For the time being, if you hit their website, and type "Free" in the search box at the top you can still find this link, which has the copy of the software still available for...
Backup and Restore
best antivirus (paid and freeware)
whats the best antivirus software out there? It does not matter if its paid or free thnx
System Security
[Paid job] Looking for PHP coders
Please notify me if this counts as advertising. From my point of view, I'm offering a good deal to the members of SevenForums. Website: ConsoleSpot - PSP News, DS News, PS3 News, Wii News, 360 News, PSP Themes, PSP Wallpapers, and PS3 Themes ConsoleSpot is built on a Linux platform using PHP...
Chillout Room


Our Sites

Site Links

About Us

Find Us

Windows 7 Forums is an independent web site and has not been authorized, sponsored, or otherwise approved by Microsoft Corporation. "Windows 7" and related materials are trademarks of Microsoft Corp.

© Designer Media Ltd

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:40.
Twitter Facebook Google+ Seven Forums iOS App Seven Forums Android App