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Windows 7: Disable forever. "Special permissions"

04 Feb 2010   #21
dark41

Win 7 Ult 64-bit
 
 

The full administrator account has merit, if you haven't already tried it.

Besides helping me run my custom computer business, my wife is IT for an aged care facility chain. First thing she did was try that logging on with the full adminstrator account and taking ownership, but didn't solve her problem. She also tried to take ownership manually. (She tends to feel insulted when suggesting scripts to her as I think she's still secretly in love with DOS, but I prefer anything that makes my life easier.)

As I said, there's 2 different things going on here with ownership. The first problem is folders/files that were created before an upgrade, or from another OS on a dual boot system. For those taking ownership usually works fine with the provided user/administrator accounts (have to turn on administrator as MS for whatever reason decided to leave it off by default). The full administrator usually works when that doesn't.

The second problem is corrupted data by Win 7 on random folders/files that were created on Win 7 with both user and administrator accounts. No fix that I've seen to date solves that, and its happening more often than people may realize. We even tried attaching the hard drive to another system as a data drive and logging in as full administrator. The files read fine, but can't be edited, moved, nor removed.

The only other thing I can offer Filmguy is to try and install over the top as full Administrator to add the missing files (uninstall). If it works, then you may be able to uninstall and start over (I've seen that before too occasionally). We have CS4 installed correctly on a couple systems with Win 7 64 bit. I don't know of an Adobe program that is not (supposedly) supported with Win 7 yet, but I could be wrong. Hope you get it sorted out.


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04 Feb 2010   #22
Jaxryley

 
 

Have you tried SubInAC to reset permissions?

Tried it a while ago on a Vista install and it worked ok and up to you if you wanna give it a go?
Reset the entire registry permissions to defaults | Windows Reference
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10 Feb 2010   #23
Lithare

Windows 7 Home x64
 
 

I may have overlooked a comment like this, but I noticed when messing with permissions on my program files folders that one of them had absolutely no permissions. Neither admin nor my forced user account had permission. Not sure when that happened, and I'm not really at a point where I'm willing to wipe and reinstall everything. But, as already mentioned, this has made me seriously reconsider XP.
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11 Feb 2010   #24
FILMGUY

WIN7 ENT x64, Windows Server 2008 ENT x64, Windows Server 2008 R2 ENT x64, CentOS 5.5 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Jaxryley View Post
Have you tried SubInAC to reset permissions?

Tried it a while ago on a Vista install and it worked ok and up to you if you wanna give it a go?
Reset the entire registry permissions to defaults | Windows Reference
Don't waste your time with that unless of course the issue could be solved via a right click in the registry anyway. I didn't bother posting before out of frustration; of course I am the only user of ANY KIND; the Administrator. I didn't have to run a cmd prompt when I installed the OS to know that it was a good idea anyway after the initial issue(s)... Pretty simple, on install, log in as username "dumb" go to Administrative Tools> Local Security Policy and enable the Administrator's account, then go Switch Users, log in as the Administrator and delete username "dumb" and proceed; takes what perhaps 30 seconds???


SubInAC will net you results in W7 x64 only for things that as Administrator you can already change in the registry, for everything else it calls an error. Also, pay attention if you run this, (at least the script I picked up on...) since the registry refuses to allow it permission to change a good deal of the permissions and it will keep returning errors, it then ends up as an infinite loop, so if you run it and have a pile of errors, watch to see if you have made it "back around again" and manually drop out of the operation... I realized I could have added a break point or other function to drop out of the operation easily in that script, that is utterly pointless when it has no gains with respect to the permissions issues...

SubInAC can be quite useful in some cases though, it's just not going to fix the root source of the permissions problem that can crop up in W7 x64 and won't do anything for it once it has occurred as well...
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11 Feb 2010   #25
NZKFC

Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit
 
 

To the guys with the Win7 problems,

You seem to be acting/talking to everyone else here as if we were Bill Gates himself, or the code monkeys who coded up the functions....

If you have issues with something we are here to help, we don't have the master code book infront of us to dealve into the unknown and find a fix for you, so step back a bit and start posititvly trying ALL suggestions or giving us more information to work with then yelling at us like some helpdesk jock at Microsoft.

Also nothing is stopping you from running XP, out of all the people I know who have gone to Win7 none of them have permission issues, some of them have had ownership issues but that was resolved by either adding permissions in with admin account or using the above suggested right click "Take Ownership" function which was also an issue in Vista. Some people get to technical when installing things that they start to modify and change things they shouldn't and make things complicated for themselves.

Have you tried making a new partitition and installing win7 again and seeing if the same issue exists?

Now...... can we have some screenshots or something, yes you might of been in the industry for years and have a doctrate in IT blah blah blah but even the best miss key parts and usually is a simplilst thing.

Thanks.
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11 Feb 2010   #26
dark41

Win 7 Ult 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by NZKFC View Post
To the guys with the Win7 problems,

You seem to be acting/talking to everyone else here as if we were Bill Gates himself, or the code monkeys who coded up the functions....

If you have issues with something we are here to help, we don't have the master code book infront of us to dealve into the unknown and find a fix for you, so step back a bit and start posititvly trying ALL suggestions or giving us more information to work with then yelling at us like some helpdesk jock at Microsoft.

Also nothing is stopping you from running XP, out of all the people I know who have gone to Win7 none of them have permission issues, some of them have had ownership issues but that was resolved by either adding permissions in with admin account or using the above suggested right click "Take Ownership" function which was also an issue in Vista. Some people get to technical when installing things that they start to modify and change things they shouldn't and make things complicated for themselves.

Have you tried making a new partitition and installing win7 again and seeing if the same issue exists?

Now...... can we have some screenshots or something, yes you might of been in the industry for years and have a doctrate in IT blah blah blah but even the best miss key parts and usually is a simplilst thing.

Thanks.
I didn't talk down to anyone, so there's no reason for anyone to feel that they've been taken to task for not having a solution. And while this is a nice forum specific to Win 7, I use many more resources than this, and none have been able to fix the problem either. So no need for anyone to feel bad for not having a solution.

However, I did point out (and I believe justifiably so) that posts like yours (which offer no solution and fail to acknowledge that the problem exists because you haven't seen it "yet") are numerous and worthless. Not to mention that posts such as yours are antagonizing, when they suggest there's a "simple fix" for a problem they've never seen and thus, never corrected themselves.

Now you've been taken to task, and not because you don't know how to fix the issue nor because you had anything to do with it's existence, but because you have the audacity to infer that screenshots or something else would have allowed you to come up with a "simplistic" (I expect that's the word you were searching for) solution. That's just silly. You're also a day late and a dollar short to this party.

A screenshot would have shown exactly what I described (regular folders/files), and the normal ownership error messages that I posted. Every time she (my wife) took ownership, it showed that the new ownership had taken (administrator, Des, full administrator, etc.,) and still refused to let her move/edit/delete the folder/files in question when logged on with that owner (both immediately after taking ownership and after rebooting). That's why I didn't see a point in posting a screen shot. The only thing it would have achieved is proving that I wasn't making this up. Frankly, anyone who thinks it didn't happen the way I said that it did - isn't worth my time to respond to anyway.

She has now formatted for the 4th time on Win 7 including beta, RC, and final release versions twice (the 2nd time on the RTM version to get rid of that problem so obviously that particular folder is gone now and lost forever) but creating a new partition and formatting is a work around, not a fix. On my system I've simply reloaded a working image of the OS from a week earlier on the 2 occasions I've run into it. But again that's a work around, not a fix.

Based upon the facts that:
* I've seen this twice and the wife has seen it once, all in a year.
* I have a couple customers who are having the the same issue now.
* The google hits are becoming more and more numerous about this problem, with more and more not being able to resolve it.

...I believe its only a matter of time before enough people run into it for MS to address it. Have patience, you're time may well be coming. And when you get it, hopefully MS will have a patch in place that makes it a "simple fix" for you, as there is no such simple fix available now.
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12 Feb 2010   #27
FILMGUY

WIN7 ENT x64, Windows Server 2008 ENT x64, Windows Server 2008 R2 ENT x64, CentOS 5.5 x64
 
 

This is not all too surprising to me... I would have to agree with dark here. I do not think I said anything that was targeted at anyone in particular and nothing but mere reiteration of the simple fact(s) I stated before.

My statements sadly were proven throughout afterward. I do not doubt it is easy to think 1) the problem is unlikely to exist if you have not experienced it. 2) Additionally, here come the people making assumptions that it might be fixed somehow simply and it cannot. 3) Now we have someone getting bent for no reason trying to call myself and others out and acting the fool for no reason; that is absurd.

A screen-shot of a failed event log that lists proof of my statements of failed registry permissions upon installation, a debug dump, what, what would it take? These things only would reinforce the very simple statement made by myself and others that have experienced this issue that in fact it can occur, so in essence, prove that we are not lying and I know I have no time or need to do such a thing as it is absolutely absurd.

This is a fine resource. To make the assertion that in 30 years the only resource I might draw on is a forum that is how old??? OK. There is an issue with the OS. What it is exactly is being researched by myself, colleagues and others in the industry. I am still convinced that while the root cause is within the OS, in order to encounter the issue, it appears not only from myself, but as well having colleagues replicate the issue, that "some" combinations of software installations are unaffected by the issue. We continue to be unable to reproduce this issue in any way in Windows Server 2008 R2...

When individuals write posts such as the individual above did, you not only do you embarrass yourself, but you demean and lower the entire community here. Please in future attempt to limit yourself to productive comments only; personal attacks will score you no points with me and I doubt anyone else within the community...
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20 Feb 2010   #28
Zomby88

Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit
 
 

Ya , you tell em ! But seriously , I would like to know why we can`t get a check mark next to special permissions ( W7 Ult ) or in the the grayed out boxes. Why does the OS even show them?
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21 Feb 2010   #29
FILMGUY

WIN7 ENT x64, Windows Server 2008 ENT x64, Windows Server 2008 R2 ENT x64, CentOS 5.5 x64
 
 

Hey zomby, I have run into that myself and sort of wrote it off entirely - bigger fish to fry you know...

If anyone noticed, there were two (2) hotfixes published last week and after deciding to brave the waters again on of all things a very important machine here, I have not had any issues since installing those; but did confirm failure on this machine with the same procedure before, so its anyone's guess what the deal is. MS is keeping this thing under wraps big time as it has affected some of the largest companies out there and they really don't want to take the rap for it. I still as of yet have to get any useful and straight forward info from my contacts at Microsoft, not only to confirm or deny the issue; likewise they won't say what those two hotfixes were for either other than their normal vagueness...

I think their plan is to let this fly under the radar, for as one can see from this and other forums, the vast majority do not believe such a problem is either "real" or even possible...

Hmmmm.....

Oh, BTW "zomby" I'll take a cool-ass .gif like that for an avatar - I should have something fitting, but it doesn't pay...
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21 Feb 2010   #30
dark41

Win 7 Ult 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by FILMGUY View Post
the vast majority do not believe such a problem is either "real" or even possible...
And a growing minority are posting the problem on various forums only to be jilted by the "wiser" majority. Some things never change.
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