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10 Dec 2016   #1131
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Hi,
Combining malware & antivirus protection just simplifies it for users so if and when mbam works out the bugs it probably will be a nice product.
Personally 2.0 has for the most part been fine all except some custom scheduling for updating is all I've ever had and pretty much still have issues with it doing
But I've since scrapped the need for mbam pro/ premium updating it's self and just do it manually since that is just too tough for it to do for some odd reason that even mbam support can't figure out no matter how many times one clean removes and reinstalls

What really needs to be changed is the silly deactivate before removing mbam
That is such a childish requirement it's insane :)


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10 Dec 2016   #1132
MoxieMomma

OEM Windows 7 Ult (x64) SP1
 
 

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What really needs to be changed is the silly deactivate before removing mbam
That is such a childish requirement it's insane :)
That's license validation step, so that the license can be re-activated without penalty.
Adobe does it.
Many other security vendors do it.
MS requires one to phone activate for their OS/software when the # of activations exceeds the limit.
It's to prevent piracy.
There may be other ways to enforce license validation, but that is how they have done it.

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Combining malware & antivirus protection just simplifies it for users so if and when mbam works out the bugs it probably will be a nice product.
As far as whether MB3 really is an "AV" or just an "AV replacement" (as they have claimed), or neither of those, one of their own forum experts recently posted THIS.

Until AV comparatives and other outside testing confirms that MB3 performs well head-to-head against longstanding, reputable, high-performing, fully-flagged AVs as SOLE protection, then the claims of "AV replacement" seem only to be marketing taglines.
And even the company does not claim that MB3 is an "AV".
Their niche has always been largely non-viral malware.
They have added anti-exploit and anti-ransomware.
But they have not said much/anything at all about true "anti-virus" capability.
(Unfortunately, this fancy wording about "AV replacement" does not seem to have prevented a significant number of compatibility problems with real AVs. Time will tell...)

It's a leap of faith at the moment to trust this new, unstable product for sole protection.
The company certainly enjoys a longstanding favorable reputation with their previous offerings.
Each user must research the upsides and downsides and make a decision about when/whether to update.

EDIT: There's also the valid question as to whether one can/should trust a single application as sole protection, no matter how good it is. That flies in the face of the longstanding recommendation for complementary, layered protection. A single program that claims to do it all is NOT layered or complementary protection. "Layers" connotes at least two different applications...

I, too, hope that the new product will someday soon live up to the hype, hopefully before the company mothballs their stable, flagship product.

Cheers,
MM
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10 Dec 2016   #1133
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Hi,
Well the statement I got was mbam pro one could essentially use the same key on three machines with this 3 times activation too
As long as the first hoop is always used to deactivate it before removal.

It shouldn't be too tough to phone back to the mbam home planet to confirm a activation key that is being used on a machine and if another one is also using it
Win-10 I've heard using an amazing thing called an ip address in it's auto activation process too
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10 Dec 2016   #1134
MoxieMomma

OEM Windows 7 Ult (x64) SP1
 
 

Each company does it differently.
And it's much harder at the back end than it appears to the end user.
I won't defend or attack the way they choose to enforce license validation.
Adobe and other publishers have long required "deactivation" before uninstalling their licensed products, so it's not a new model.

I will say that licensing has been a complicated mess ever since they started to enforce it.
This was further complicated by the number of times they changed their licensing model.
100s of forum posts and who-knows-how-many help desk tickets have arisen out of that.
And then there was the "amnesty program" that offered free licenses to those with cracked/pirated licenses, both unintentional and deliberate.

Which brings me to this:
Different licenses, purchased at different times, are valid for different numbers of computers.

An "original", 1-PC lifetime license (sold before March 2014 and for a short while/via promo after that) can be activated on only ONE system at a time. Nothing new there.

An "up-to-3 PC" subscription license (roughly March 2014 until September 2015) can be activated on up to 3 PCs in the same household at one time and must be renewed. Nothing new there, either.

A 1 PC, subscription license (after September 2015) can be activated on only one system at a time and must be renewed. Nothing new there, either.

There never was a MULTI-PC "lifetime" license -- any such license is fake. Absolutely nothing new there.

I have a feeling that some folks who refuse to upgrade from 1.75 to 2.2.1.1043 might be using an illegal license, for whatever reason. Alas, the amnesty program that would have gotten them a free, new, legal license ended long, long ago. So, yes, if they try to upgrade an illegal 1.75 Pro license either to MBAM2 Premium or MB3 Premium, they will be out of luck. The company was more than generous with their amnesty program.

Whatever the company uses for licensing and validation is up to them. Every time they change the model (as they are doing now by incorporating MBAE Premium into MB3 Premium), they make more of a mess. I guess they will need to address that....

...Until they change the policy again.

MM
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10 Dec 2016   #1135
Seffrid

Windows 7 Home Premium 64
 
 

Thanks for your continued advice, MM.

I have now installed MBAM 2.2.1 (Free) on my secondary machine without issues, and have run an initial Threat Scan ok.

A couple of queries - by default the rootkit part of the scan is unchecked, is that correct and should regular or occasional rootkit scans be done? Do they take much longer and are there any issues associated with them? The Threat Scan took about 11 minutes, incidentally.

Also, by default the Explorer context menu entry is checked - is that correct and what does it mean?

I'd hope given modern standards on these things that the latest version would have tooltip descriptions of these sorts of things. Possibly something to bear in mind when providing any beta feedback?
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10 Dec 2016   #1136
MoxieMomma

OEM Windows 7 Ult (x64) SP1
 
 

Hi:

Rootkit scanning is disabled by default.
TMALSS it's up to the user whether or not to enable it.
It will -- by necessity -- increase scan times a bit.
So, if "fast scans" are very important to you (as they are for some users), then you may wish to leave it disabled.
(If your drive is encrypted by Bitlocker or any of several robust, 3rd-party encryption products, it would be pretty hard -- though not impossible -- to pick up a root-kit. So it will not be needed.)

Context menu scanning setting changed many times over the years between default ON and default OFF.
If you enable it, you might want to reboot the computer to be sure it sticks.
(Having said that, flat file scanning like that is a task better suited to your AV, especially since MBAM does not target many malicious file types that are covered by a traditional AV.)

As for tooltips/popups: most of those were eliminated over the years by user request.
MOST unfortunately, however, I am shocked to see that the company has summarily removed nearly all of their helpful user guides and KB articles for MBAM2.
This is VERY disappointing, as many users will need or want to continue to run version 2 until it is EOS/EOL. They seem to be sweeping it under the rug even before the 6-month deadline approaches.
THIS is all I can find.
I can only shake my head in disbelief and disappointment.

MM

P.S.
MBAM Free and MB3 are only manual, on-demand scanners to help remove infection already on the system. If you want real-time protection alongside your AV to help prevent infection, you need a paid license.
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10 Dec 2016   #1137
Seffrid

Windows 7 Home Premium 64
 
 

Indeed, MM, it is disappointing to find that on hitting on the link in the 1.75 dashboard to learn more about version 2 the link is to a page that no longer exists, and if you click on "Home Use" or somesuch it takes you to a page offering only the version 3 beta. References on the forum to version 2 have been removed and it took me a while to find a download link for it. It's beginning to look as if Malwarebytes are adopting the Microsoft approach of deciding for us what we will use and when. Thanks, however, for finding that guide.

I appreciate your comments about the free version versus the paid licence, but I'm happy with my AV running live and with MBAM being run manually, as in fact was recommended when I last chatted to my local repair centre. One thing that has always put me off the paid version is the inability to avoid automatic quarantining of detected items as that is something that can wreak havoc on the system over a detection that may turn out to be a false positive!
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10 Dec 2016   #1138
MoxieMomma

OEM Windows 7 Ult (x64) SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Seffrid View Post
Indeed, MM, it is disappointing to find that on hitting on the link in the 1.75 dashboard to learn more about version 2 the link is to a page that no longer exists, and if you click on "Home Use" or somesuch it takes you to a page offering only the version 3 beta. References on the forum to version 2 have been removed and it took me a while to find a download link for it. It's beginning to look as if Malwarebytes are adopting the Microsoft approach of deciding for us what we will use and when. Thanks, however, for finding that guide.
Not surprising for version 1.75, as it was outdated nearly 3 years ago.
VERY disappointing to see that Malwarebytes has adopted a "scorched earth" policy for their own products.
I can download KIS2015 from their own website now.
I can easily find Kasperky's own KB for their legacy products going back at least that far, with no problem either.

But Malwarebytes seems to very much foisting and forcing their new, unproven product on their customers. Yes, it does resemble recent activities by MS. We all know how well that worked.

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I appreciate your comments about the free version versus the paid licence, but I'm happy with my AV running live and with MBAM being run manually, as in fact was recommended when I last chatted to my local repair centre.
Sorry, but that is old, outdated and inaccurate information.
MBAM (1 and 2) was designed specifically to run alongside a real-time AV to target certain non-viral threats not covered by the traditional AVs, especially zero-day and zero-hour threats.
That is the concept of "layered" protection.

Cleanup after the fact is always less desirable and sometimes less effective ("too late" when it comes to ransomware).


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One thing that has always put me off the paid version is the inability to avoid automatic quarantining of detected items as that is something that can wreak havoc on the system over a detection that may turn out to be a false positive!
Sorry, but that's backwards.
MBAM Premium does indeed afford the user the ability to disable automatic quarantine.
(MBAM Free does not, if I recall correctly.)
Although they have not had a really, really bad false-positive in a very, very long time, many Premium users prefer to disable automatic quarantine.
See screen shot, where it is disabled.
So, if you upgrade to paid, you'll have the ability to disable automatic quarantine.

Cheers,
MM


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10 Dec 2016   #1139
Seffrid

Windows 7 Home Premium 64
 
 

Is disabling automatic quarantining in the Premium version absolute, i.e. it doesn't merely give a limited time option in which to avoid automatic quarantine? There was a discussion some time ago about only having a few seconds in which to hit the "decline quarantine" button but perhaps that was in relation to the paid-for version 1.75, I really can't remember the details.
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10 Dec 2016   #1140
MoxieMomma

OEM Windows 7 Ult (x64) SP1
 
 

Hi:

Yes, there was discussion, but it was many years ago.

I think the behavior is different from REAL-TIME protection (where there may be a time limit before an automatic action is taken, if the user does not intervene) and a SCAN (where there is not).

TBH, I do not recall the details and I have no way to test.
(Perhaps check the MBAM forum and for threads started by a user, @shrugged. IIRC he was one of many who were interested in that feature/function.)

However, it does remain the case that one needs a paid, Premium license in order to be able to change "Advanced" settings, such as automatic quarantine.
With MBAM Free, the user has NO control over those "Advanced" settings.

And all of this will be moot soon enough, as they force version 2 into oblivion.

I expect that they may have already changed and will likely change again some of these settings and features for MB3.

MM
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