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Windows 7: What's the best and the most lightweight...?

12 Oct 2009   #41
tw33k

Windows 7 Ultimate (x64) SP1
 
 

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There is no such thing like better and the best in AV case.
Efficiency of AV software depends on updated signatures and this activity is based on old mechanism known as blacklists. AV are good for detection but when we are talking about prevention they simply failed. No AV on the world can stop/detect new, unknown malware which have been written eg. 5 min ago. AV works when detect known malware which they have in their signatures.

About lightweight, here is my security setup - yes you are not wrong, only one application
I have this configuration (in sig) for months - no issues/problems/infections anymore:
Not entirely accurate. Good heuristics will detect unseen malware, viruses etc


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12 Oct 2009   #42
stew2

 

Yeah that is true but then you get things like false positives happening etc. IMHO its better to stop them getting on your pc in the first place by using a sandbox type application rather than using an antivirus and relying on its signature database.

Dont get me wrong i still use an antivirus, i install one every few months and do a scan of the pc then i uninstall it. In 2 and a half years of me using Greenborder, no antivirus iv installed has found anything but i still do this for peace of mind.

I visit any site i want to even well known dodgy sites in safety.
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12 Oct 2009   #43
Dinesh

Windows® 8 Pro (64-bit)
 
 

That's not the case with me. My AV has saved me n number of times with viruses.
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12 Oct 2009   #44
stew2

 

Hi Dinesh your a "Security Freak" so have you tried any sandbox type applications. Theres ones like sandboxie, defensewall etc available.

Iv never tried those ones as im happy with my free for life Greenborder but i honestly believe they are better aproach to securing a pc than any Antivirus available. Preventing the threat instead of removing it is the best plan.
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12 Oct 2009   #45
Dinesh

Windows® 8 Pro (64-bit)
 
 

Whenever i think that an application is suspicious, i open it in Sandboxie. If it opens fine, then i put it on my main rig. If i still doubt it, i install it on XP virtual box, then i put it on my main pc.
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12 Oct 2009   #46
Creer

Windows 7 Home Premium x32 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by tw33k View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Creer View Post
There is no such thing like better and the best in AV case.
Efficiency of AV software depends on updated signatures and this activity is based on old mechanism known as blacklists. AV are good for detection but when we are talking about prevention they simply failed. No AV on the world can stop/detect new, unknown malware which have been written eg. 5 min ago. AV works when detect known malware which they have in their signatures.

About lightweight, here is my security setup - yes you are not wrong, only one application
I have this configuration (in sig) for months - no issues/problems/infections anymore:
Not entirely accurate. Good heuristics will detect unseen malware, viruses etc
Not excacly, here is a few great articles about what is really advanced heuristic in AV:
Defeating Anti-Virus with Crypters - Adventures of the White Rabbit

and many others...
Eighty percent of new malware defeats antivirus - News - Security - ZDNet Australia
Five reasons you need a new approach to antivirus security
Is the end of anti-virus finally here? | Security Central - InfoWorld
RSA: New threats could make traditional antivirus tools ineffective
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12 Oct 2009   #47
stew2

 

Ah i see Dinesh. I run greenborder all the time inside Virtual PC with XP installed. That is how i access the internet. I understand lots of people would be unwilling to do this but apps like sandboxie and defensewall run on windows 7 i think.

Those are the programes that should be recommended to the average user as they are the ones that click on everything and dont fully know the threats and what they do to a pc. Just my opininion
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12 Oct 2009   #48
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi all

Why not do all the security etc on a Linux box and if your W7 connects to the internet through the Linux system you can remove pretty well all the AV software OFF the windows box which makes it run a lot better (and safer).

Start something like vmware server on a Linux machine which will fire up say 2 VM's -- one just a "virus" firewall and another is your user W7 machine.

Works an absolute treat and the overhead is minimal.

BTW this method is no good if you are a serious gamer -- but other video apps and streaming run quite nicely now on most Linux distros.

I'm waiting until MS'es security suite is out in the public domain.

I don't like typical AV softwear currently --usually slows the machine down and the false positive indications are a real nuisance.

In any case since the Linux system has really good controls over who can access the machine from OUTSIDE I'm not worried in any case.

My email server scans incoming emails and if I don't know where its coming from thenI just "Bin it" without even opening it.

The sort of sites I access on the Internet aren't likely to be riddled with Viruses -- I'm sure logging on to library sites studying such things as the materials used in the construction of modern aircraft engines aren't going to be infested with sub teen hackers wanting to test their "skills".

If you are a rabid downloader of "Torrent" music or a big user of P2P file sharing etc then over to you.

In all the years that I've been doing computing I've NEVER had a problem with Viruses.

Cheers
jimbo
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12 Oct 2009   #49
Creer

Windows 7 Home Premium x32 SP1
 
 

There is also software like: Shadow Defender or Returnil which virtualize your partition/patritions, when you do reboot all changes dissapear:
Shadow Defender - the easiest PC/laptop security and privacy protection tool

It's easy and fast solution, you don't have to install OS on your VMware in this case.
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12 Oct 2009   #50
Mercurial

Windows 7 32bit RTM
 
 

no vipre is awesome!!! just wait till igster post about it!:P

or finds another anti virus lol!


anyway I'm just glad I sticked to eset and didn't cross over the dark side ;D muhahaha
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