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09 Nov 2009   #91
ratePV

Windows 7 SP1 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Crazy Buddhist View Post
Norton lost the plot about 8 years ago. Mainly by becoming the biggest piece of bloatware after windows itself.

If they happen to have started getting their house in order and reducing the machine-killing capability of their software that is great news.

However the fact remains they have been caught paying Virus writers to write viruses in the past and the current comparatives still show the virus detection rate is low and the firewall weak compared to other products.

I'll give them a little more time before even contemplating an install. And will still advise people not to use it. Hopefully they will continue their upward trend which I recognise and applaud - after all, we all have better security the more good players there are in the market.

Crazy B

ps It might have caught a Trojan but it doesn't yet have the facility to pop up a warning when it missed one - which it's not bad at doing either.

Current date is 11.9.2009

We have left 2008 behind us and are slowly moving to 2010


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09 Nov 2009   #92
SquonkSC

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Crazy Buddhist View Post
Norton lost the plot about 8 years ago. Mainly by becoming the biggest piece of bloatware after windows itself.

If they happen to have started getting their house in order and reducing the machine-killing capability of their software that is great news.

However the fact remains they have been caught paying Virus writers to write viruses in the past and the current comparatives still show the virus detection rate is low and the firewall weak compared to other products.

I'll give them a little more time before even contemplating an install. And will still advise people not to use it. Hopefully they will continue their upward trend which I recognise and applaud - after all, we all have better security the more good players there are in the market.

Crazy B

ps It might have caught a Trojan but it doesn't yet have the facility to pop up a warning when it missed one - which it's not bad at doing either.
If you and we would follow your way of thinking,
remembering Win Me, you and we wouldn't be running Windows in the first place.

Inconsistency is a human property, so we forgive you.
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09 Nov 2009   #93
Crazy Buddhist

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ratePV View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Crazy Buddhist View Post
Norton lost the plot about 8 years ago. Mainly by becoming the biggest piece of bloatware after windows itself.

.....snip....

Current date is 11.9.2009

We have left 2008 behind us and are slowly moving to 2010
You have totally lost me ... who mentioned 2008? I said Norton lost the plot 8 years ago (around 2001) and stayed lost for a long time ..

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SquonkSC View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Crazy Buddhist View Post
Norton lost the plot about 8 years ago. Mainly by becoming the biggest piece of bloatware after windows itself.

.....snip....
If you and we would follow your way of thinking,
remembering Win Me, you and we wouldn't be running Windows in the first place.

Inconsistency is a human property, so we forgive you.
Microsoft have produced some really bum products ... ME actually won worst ten Microsoft Products ever. Well ... I was never silly enough to go near Windows ME ... I pitie da fools who did ......





My honest opinion on this is that finally with Windows 7, Microsoft have released their first mature O/S since Windows 2000 Professional.

And yes - I still run that on some machines. I skipped XP completely until I needed to install it for a single piece of software and had Vista pre-installed on a laptop but that quickly got Ubuntu instead - and the laptop actually functioned so my logic is use what works well.

Crazy B
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09 Nov 2009   #94
SquonkSC

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Crazy Buddhist View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ratePV View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Crazy Buddhist View Post
Norton lost the plot about 8 years ago. Mainly by becoming the biggest piece of bloatware after windows itself.

.....snip....

Current date is 11.9.2009

We have left 2008 behind us and are slowly moving to 2010
You have totally lost me ... who mentioned 2008? I said Norton lost the plot 8 years ago (around 2001) and stayed lost for a long time ..

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SquonkSC View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Crazy Buddhist View Post
Norton lost the plot about 8 years ago. Mainly by becoming the biggest piece of bloatware after windows itself.

.....snip....
If you and we would follow your way of thinking,
remembering Win Me, you and we wouldn't be running Windows in the first place.

Inconsistency is a human property, so we forgive you.
Microsoft have produced some really bum products ... ME actually won worst ten Microsoft Products ever. Well ... I was never silly enough to go near Windows ME ... I pitie da fools who did ......





My honest opinion on this is that finally with Windows 7, Microsoft have released their first mature O/S since Windows 2000 Professional.

And yes - I still run that on some machines. I skipped XP completely until I needed to install it for a single piece of software and had Vista pre-installed on a laptop but that quickly got Ubuntu instead - and the laptop actually functioned so my logic is use what works well.

Crazy B
I wasn't talking about MS products or what you do or do not use.

What I was saying is this.

You judge Norton on how it was 8 yrs ago.
Like 99% of the people who gave their 20cents on Norton on this forum.

It's like a broken record.
To say it bluntly, people who judge something they actually never tried, contribute to 50% of the posts on any forum.
And personally I think it makes them look silly.

You're lucky it was only Norton you bashed without any valid argument,
because had it been about Win7, the "you bloody troll posts" would fill this thread so fast you couldn't keep up with reading them.


I didn't like Norton products for the same reasons you gave, but I actually gave some versions a try before passing a judgment.

After trying NIS 2009 I thought it was such a brilliant product, I even decided to buy it.
NIS 2010 is even better. It has the smallest footprint of any security suite.
And you hardly ever notice it's there, as it should be.

If you remember Norton as bloatware, I can only conclude you haven't been paying attention for too long.
So far there has been only one guy on this entire forum who had genuine criticism on Norton 2010, who had actually tried it.

About Windows 2000 being the last mature product before Win7 came around, I would have to disagree with you also.

Windows 2003 made Windows 2000 look like a joke.
Ask any corporate system administrator.
I operated on both in a corporate environment.
Win2000 had so many security holes they just stop filling them,
and MS decided to focus their energy on 2003 which was an excellent product.

Greetings.
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10 Nov 2009   #95
Crazy Buddhist

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SquonkSC View Post
...snip...

You judge Norton on how it was 8 yrs ago.
Like 99% of the people who gave their 20cents on Norton on this forum.

It's like a broken record.
To say it bluntly, people who judge something they actually never tried, contribute to 50% of the posts on any forum.
And personally I think it makes them look silly.

You're lucky it was only Norton you bashed without any valid argument,
because had it been about Win7, the "you bloody troll posts" would fill this thread so fast you couldn't keep up with reading them.
...snip ...

If you remember Norton as bloatware, I can only conclude you haven't been paying attention for too long.
So far there has been only one guy on this entire forum who had genuine criticism on Norton 2010, who had actually tried it.

About Windows 2000 being the last mature product before Win7 came around, I would have to disagree with you also.

Windows 2003 made Windows 2000 look like a joke.
SquonkSC,

No .. I am not judging Norton on how it was 8 years ago. Firstly, I am judging Norton on how it was for a long period 7-8 years or so starting around 2001 or even before. During that time I serviced hundreds of machines where the major contributing factor to them not functioning was the presence of Norton on the system. Secondly I judge the product on it's success rates in firewall and AV comparatives.

These are valid arguments whether you agree with them or not. They are not groundless trolling. It is not the case I have never tried Norton - the opposite is true - I have lots of experience with it and don't want any more at this time. Far from trolling or saying Norton is BAD I am saying Norton sounds like it's getting better but not good enough yet or improved for long enough for me to want to be a guinea pig - I'll keep watching but I'm not going there yet.

And the reviews suggest that is not a bad decision.

Windows 7 is great - you won't catch me bashing that. Have been running it since a couple of months before the release and I have a lot of praise for it. As I said .. best OS since 2000Pro Also this like is based on evidence and testing. I have it installed on everything from an Acer Aspire One Netbook to my main rig and it's replaced Ubuntu on the laptop too.

You're right about 2003 but that wasn't a desktop OS so I don't see the real relevance to the comment I made.

I'm accused of trolling but none of the "supporters" have actually provided any substantive response to the independent firewall tests that show NIS is NOT a rounded product and that recommend it as "not recommended" because of it's rather leaky outbound firewall. Facts are facts. Calling me a troll without actually answering this point is a little unfair.

Crazy B
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10 Nov 2009   #96
BSkiLLs

Win-7HP, VistaHP, XP
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SquonkSC View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Crazy Buddhist View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ratePV View Post


Current date is 11.9.2009

We have left 2008 behind us and are slowly moving to 2010
You have totally lost me ... who mentioned 2008? I said Norton lost the plot 8 years ago (around 2001) and stayed lost for a long time ..

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SquonkSC View Post

If you and we would follow your way of thinking,
remembering Win Me, you and we wouldn't be running Windows in the first place.

Inconsistency is a human property, so we forgive you.
Microsoft have produced some really bum products ... ME actually won worst ten Microsoft Products ever. Well ... I was never silly enough to go near Windows ME ... I pitie da fools who did ......





My honest opinion on this is that finally with Windows 7, Microsoft have released their first mature O/S since Windows 2000 Professional.

And yes - I still run that on some machines. I skipped XP completely until I needed to install it for a single piece of software and had Vista pre-installed on a laptop but that quickly got Ubuntu instead - and the laptop actually functioned so my logic is use what works well.

Crazy B
I wasn't talking about MS products or what you do or do not use.

What I was saying is this.

You judge Norton on how it was 8 yrs ago.
Like 99% of the people who gave their 20cents on Norton on this forum.

It's like a broken record.
To say it bluntly, people who judge something they actually never tried, contribute to 50% of the posts on any forum.
And personally I think it makes them look silly.

You're lucky it was only Norton you bashed without any valid argument,
because had it been about Win7, the "you bloody troll posts" would fill this thread so fast you couldn't keep up with reading them.


I didn't like Norton products for the same reasons you gave, but I actually gave some versions a try before passing a judgment.

After trying NIS 2009 I thought it was such a brilliant product, I even decided to buy it.
NIS 2010 is even better. It has the smallest footprint of any security suite.
And you hardly ever notice it's there, as it should be.

If you remember Norton as bloatware, I can only conclude you haven't been paying attention for too long.
So far there has been only one guy on this entire forum who had genuine criticism on Norton 2010, who had actually tried it.

About Windows 2000 being the last mature product before Win7 came around, I would have to disagree with you also.

Windows 2003 made Windows 2000 look like a joke.
Ask any corporate system administrator.
I operated on both in a corporate environment.
Win2000 had so many security holes they just stop filling them,
and MS decided to focus their energy on 2003 which was an excellent product.

Greetings.

Well said Squonk
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10 Nov 2009   #97
SquonkSC

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

Well, as you don't seem to like short comments, I will review what you said piece by piece.

About Norton you said:

Quote:
Norton lost the plot about 8 years ago. Mainly by becoming the biggest piece of bloatware after windows itself.
If you actually tried Norton 2009/2010 for yourself, you would know that it makes all the other AV's look like bloatware.

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Quote:
However the fact remains they have been caught paying Virus writers to write viruses in the past.
You state it as a fact, but show me the proof of this ridiculous accusation that has been spread for years,
but was never ever substantiated.
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Quote:
ps It might have caught a Trojan but it doesn't yet have the facility to pop up a warning when it missed one - which it's not bad at doing either.
Should I really take this serious?
A comment like this weakens any argument you place after it.
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Quote:
No .. I am not judging Norton on how it was 8 years ago. Firstly, I am judging Norton on how it was for a long period 7-8 years or so starting around 2001 or even before.
Still you haven't tried 2009 or 2010, so your arguments are unfounded
That was and still is the point I'm making

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Quote:
Secondly I judge the product on it's success rates in firewall and AV comparatives.
If you read them more thoroughly, you would see Norton missed only one "in the wild" virus.
Missing one gives the verdict "not passed" which is totally outrageous.
I seriously question the methods of those test.
I'll eleborate:
They take a list of a couple of hundred thousand viruses out of a list of millions. This makes it a snapshot test.
It might well be that if they ran a different part of the total list, Norton might find all of those, and others might miss a few.
To really make it accurate they would have to run all the known viruses.
Further they only install the fresh product, they don't install any updates.
This makes it a very unfair comparison, because some of the products have been around longer, and the down-loadable versions on the websites already come with the latest updates incorporated.
Norton 2010 was only out for 4 weeks after they tested it. See my point?
That's why the comparative sites themselves state so clearly to not jump to any conclusions based solely on their tests.

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About Windows:
Quote:
You're right about 2003 but that wasn't a desktop OS so I don't see the real relevance to the comment I made.
My bad, I thought you were talking about the server version.
Personally I think XP became a nice solid product after SP2,
and it has served me well for many years.
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Quote:
I'm accused of trolling but none of the "supporters" have actually provided any substantive response to the independent firewall tests that show NIS is NOT a rounded product and that recommend it as "not recommended" because of it's rather leaky outbound firewall.
I have done some firewall testing on my own and their so called independent firewall test makes me wonder how independent they are?
I couldn't reproduce any of the leaks they suggested.
Were they testing the beta version or what?
Quote:
Facts are facts. Calling me a troll without actually answering this point is a little unfair.
Show me anywhere in my posts I accuse you of being a troll!??
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Quote:
none of the "supporters" have actually provided any substantive response
You can accuse me of many things, but not of being unsubstantial.

Crazy B, I suggest we end the discussion, because we made our points and I am totally ok with agreeing to disagree.

Plus, this thread isn't about Norton pro or con, it was started by a guy who was nice enough to share his finding of the free for 6 months trial.

But of course if you want to react, it's fine too.

Greetings,

Michel
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10 Nov 2009   #98
Dinesh

Windows® 8 Pro (64-bit)
 
 

Lets end the debate as the offer has now ended.
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