Impossible to provent malware/rogueware on Windows?

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  1. Posts : 31,249
    Windows 11 Pro x64 [Latest Release and Release Preview]
       #11

    The main reason for the "added Extras" in modern applications is the fact that these applications are "free to use" or "Free for personal use", as, with the huge range of software available for Windows, the "free option" is a good way to get users to use a particular product. There are often "Pro" versions of these applications and these come without the "addons",.

    It basically comes down to the fact that developing software takes Time and therefore money to do, the developer needs to be paid in some form for their time, that's only fair. So they resort to having their product "sponsored" by someone else, to pay the bills. Of course it's not only the developers that use this method, some of the file repositories and download sites will have their own modified version of applications where they add things to the basic product, they have costs too.

    Some of the tricks of the trade, such as hiding the additions from the users that chooses the default install, are a problem but an understandable one when you are paid for the number of "addon programs installed"

    In many ways It comes down to user choice, if you buy commercial software, or the Pro, version, you pay the developer directly and you get a "clean" installer, if you want something for nothing, here is a price to pay.

    I am not defending some developers who seem to have no judgement, in their choice of included addon, but cannot deny the right of someone to get paid for their work.

    If you want free software, without the addons, there are some developers that still work for the satisfaction of creating something, check out Open Source Software , most has none of this type of funding system.

    The question was asked why does this not happen with mac applications, the reason is simply one of commercial viability, the MAC market is so limited in size that it's not a good comercial proposition for the majority of developers to even write for it :)
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  2. Posts : 165
    Windows 7 Ultimate x86 and x64
       #12

    Barman58 said:
    The question was asked why does this not happen with mac applications, the reason is simply one of commercial viability, the MAC market is so limited in size that it's not a good comercial proposition for the majority of developers to even write for it :)
    I've maintained for years that this was the reason that Macs didn't get infected with viruses (virii ?), not that they were immune. There was just no ROI, not to mention the inability to achieve critical mass. Why waste time writing a virus for the 12%? Now that market share is increasing, the infections are appearing, along with the resultant security software.
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  3. Posts : 548
    Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
       #13

    MrWhoopee said:
    Barman58 said:
    The question was asked why does this not happen with mac applications, the reason is simply one of commercial viability, the MAC market is so limited in size that it's not a good comercial proposition for the majority of developers to even write for it :)
    I've maintained for years that this was the reason that Macs didn't get infected with viruses (virii ?), not that they were immune. There was just no ROI, not to mention the inability to achieve critical mass. Why waste time writing a virus for the 12%? Now that market share is increasing, the infections are appearing, along with the resultant security software.
    The same can be said for Linux. While it's fact that Linux is designed to be inherently more secure than Windows, Linux's current safety has a lot to do with "safety by obscurity" much like OSX and I'm sure that if/when "desktop Linux" becomes more commonplace we're going to see an influx of Linux viruses just like we are seeing right now with OSX.
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  4. Posts : 31,249
    Windows 11 Pro x64 [Latest Release and Release Preview]
       #14

    I suppose there is some good news for MAC OS users, their overall share of the PC market is falling again < 8% in the last figures I saw, so they'll be Virus free again before long
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  5. Posts : 25,847
    Windows 10 Pro. 64/ version 1709 Windows 7 Pro/64
       #15

    Barman I do agree that the time spent creating a program the creator wants to get paid. I don't have a problem with that.
    It's the method they use to get the not asked for programs installed on your computer.
    If they did it a up front method.
    Letting us on this side of the keyboard know what they have as a program and what it does. Maybe a website to check their program out.
    Slipping in my computer under Aunt Nelie's skirt is not the way I want things in my computers.
    If the program is so great tell us up front. If you slip it in on me I don't care how good the program is. It's gone because I can trust the creator.
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  6. Posts : 31,249
    Windows 11 Pro x64 [Latest Release and Release Preview]
       #16

    Hi Jack

    I agree totally as I stated in my original post

    I am not defending some developers who seem to have no judgement, in their choice of included addon, but cannot deny the right of someone to get paid for their work.
    all of these sponsored addons should be mentioned up front, but human nature will often result in the methods we see, if being up-front, costs you, the developer, money you are more likely to hide things, also of course it's likely that some of the worst junk software will pay the best commission to the developer
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  7. Posts : 23
    Windows 7 Ultimate x64
       #17

    Layback Bear said:
    Barman I do agree that the time spent creating a program the creator wants to get paid. I don't have a problem with that.
    It's the method they use to get the not asked for programs installed on your computer.
    If they did it a up front method.
    Letting us on this side of the keyboard know what they have as a program and what it does. Maybe a website to check their program out.
    Slipping in my computer under Aunt Nelie's skirt is not the way I want things in my computers.
    If the program is so great tell us up front. If you slip it in on me I don't care how good the program is. It's gone because I can trust the creator.
    I agree totally on this one. well stated.
    If my trust is broken when it comes to my PC, bye,bye goes your programming, or
    I won't even give it a chance.

    ~SIX~
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  8. Posts : 165
    Windows 7 Ultimate x86 and x64
       #18

    In my experience, the secret to avoiding the crapware (along with clicking "next" slowly and unchecking the boxes) is careful selection of the download site. If you are looking for Adobe Reader (for example), avoid the first 4 or 5 (sponsored) results in the search, then be sure that the address you select is ......adobe.com. I also look for the very tiny "direct download" link underneath the big DOWNLOAD button to avoid the download manager.

    I have found that fewer than one in ten of my clients can be successfully instructed on this. I have resorted to telling them to "NEVER DOWNLOAD OR UPDATE ANYTHING!!!!" The AV will update itself, everything else will wait. They still do it, then my phone rings. $$$
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  9. Posts : 1,045
    Win8/8.1,Win7-U64, Vista U64, uncounted Linux distor's
       #19

    Jacee said:
    Some people will click anything, and not give it a second thought. They don't know the dangers, or haven't been told not to uncheck "bundled software, toolbars, extensions" and such.
    If you are a person's IT/go to man, then you need to teach them!
    I see you met my wife. Cleaning up PUP's is a full time job because of the fastest finger I've ever seen. She said..."those little boxes go away if you click on them"

    Tool bars and browser add-ons are very difficult to eradicate completely. I like to think I'm good at keeping my browsers clean but I still get a occasional PUP. Just uninstall/delete/disable.
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  10. Posts : 25,847
    Windows 10 Pro. 64/ version 1709 Windows 7 Pro/64
       #20

    madcratebuilder this has got to be keeping you busy.

    She said..."those little boxes go away if you click on them"
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