IE Hacker Problem

pappi said:

Download Update for Internet Explorer 11 for Windows 7 SP1 (KB2956283) from Official Microsoft Download Center

Thank you for digging up that link. It does not happen to be the update that Microsoft released to address the vulnerability that this thread is about. Those patches were not available anywhere that I know of until 01 May. That is why I was so curious about your statement that you found the updates earlier than 01 May.

pappi said:

I tried the Pro version with real time protection on trial basis and found it more effective in picking up and blocking threats/viruses ahead of MSE. I still do not know why it is not considered an AV.

On the other hand, sometimes on scheduled scan, MSE detects and quarantines malwares, including viruses which its real time protection failed to detect and block.

Somebody of more advance PC skill...please explain why MBAM is not considered an AV.

You have asked for our time to try and explain some of the differences between MBAM and an AV app and we have given you a considerable amount of of time on that topic. When I asked you to look for a place on Malwarebyte's website where they claim to protect against bad files that infect other bad files - you replied that you could not research what you do not understand. I understand your position, but I've researched several things that I did not understand. Sometimes I only learned a little bit before giving up (because the info was over my head). Other times, I learned lots of stuff. The more I read, the more I understood the things that were not clear when I started out.

For this topic, you will just have to decide if you want to take our word for it that MBAM does not stop viruses (bad files that infect good files)*. Or you can start reading things in the hopes that someday you will understand why the terms (as poorly defined as they are) and distinctions matter. Lumping all on the types of bad files into one term "malware" causes discussions like the one that we are having now. Those at MBAM have told their users to use an AV tool. So, it would be best if you do that while you learn about bad file classifications.

*horribly simplistic and not universally agreed upon.

Here is a place that you can read more than you ever wanted to know about the topic of bad/malicious files: John Aycock 'Computer Viruses and Malware' (VX heaven)

As far as my research took me, I learned MBAM has coverage for recent viruses much like AV's but has ditched coverage for old ones. AV's have coverage against malware other than viruses like MBAM but not as much.. Hence, for protection against viruses-old and new-I employ AV(MSE). And for good measures, I employ so-called anti-malware product(MBAM).

I will always consider MBAM an AV, regardless of current nomenclature designation. In the past, when for some reason (maybe JAVA's fault)I was often infected, MBAM(free version) always picked up viruses (thru on demand scan) that MSE with real protection failed to detect.

And I also consider MSE and all other AV's anti-malware products because, after all, viruses are malware, albeit less common.

UsernameIssues said:

pappi said:

Download Update for Internet Explorer 11 for Windows 7 SP1 (KB2956283) from Official Microsoft Download Center

Thank you for digging up that link. It does not happen to be the update that Microsoft released to address the vulnerability that this thread is about. Those patches were not available anywhere that I know of until 01 May. That is why I was so curious about your statement that you found the updates earlier than 01 May.

OMG, so it is not. At quick glance, these numbers looked the same. I must have been misled by their connection with the update from April 8th. Thanks for straightening me out.

Now I feel better that I did not install the update I dug up from download center, but did install the one from Windows update on May 1st.

pappi said:

As far as my research took me, I learned MBAM has coverage for recent viruses much like AV's but has ditched coverage for old ones. AV's have coverage against malware other than viruses like MBAM but not as much.. Hence, for protection against viruses-old and new-I employ AV(MSE). And for good measures, I employ so-called anti-malware product(MBAM).

I will always consider MBAM an AV, regardless of current nomenclature designation. In the past, when for some reason (maybe JAVA's fault)I was often infected, MBAM(free version) always picked up viruses (thru on demand scan) that MSE with real protection failed to detect.

And I also consider MSE and all other AV's anti-malware products because, after all, viruses are malware, albeit less common.

Can you provide a link to a website that makes that claim?

"Can you provide a link to a website that makes that claim? "

The Difference Between Antivirus and Anti-Malware (and Which to Use)

pappi said:

"Can you provide a link to a website that makes that claim? "

The Difference Between Antivirus and Anti-Malware (and Which to Use)

The info in that link states the opposite of what you claimed:

Put simply, Malwarebytes aims to protect you against all manner of malware, but common viruses and older threats aren't included.

I was looking for something that backs up your statement the Malwarebytes protects its users against viruses.

Apparently some viruses are not common or old. Some are amenable to products that are not commonly known to be AV...like MBAM which claims it detects and removes viruses. Here is a comparative come-on publication from MBAM, straight from MBAM homepage:


Note that both free and pro versions claim to detect and remove viruses, among other malware.