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Windows 7: P2P camera security

09 Dec 2018   #11
F22 Simpilot

Windows 7 Ultimate x64

UNREAL! I made an inquiry asking for help about how this camera made a connection. I got a cryptec response from the manufacture on Amazon. Now when I went to my orders in Amazon to leave feedback and let everyone know this camera makes a connection to China, the camera is not listed in my bought items! Not even for the whole year of 2018!!!! I smell major BS here. Amazon probably removed the order after my inquiry.

This is the camera here : : Spy Camera Wireless Hidden WiFi Camera AREBI HD 1080P Mini Camera Portable Home Security Cameras Covert Nanny Cam Indoor Video Recorder Small Camcorder with Motion Activated/Night Vision A10 Plus : Camera & Photo

It's an ARBEI.

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10 Dec 2018   #12

Windows 7 Ultimate x64

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by F22 Simpilot View Post
Yep! There's a middle man! I looked in my live router log and my camera makes a connection to Guess where that goes?

So yeah, no port forwarding needed. It connects to that IP and I connect to that IP with my phone to view the camera.
Pretty much expected. Given you said there is no port forwarding, the only other chance is that oth the camera and the phone "phone home" for a connection between them. This is how many other programs also work, with the help of a third party.
It's also pretty clear now that it's not P2P and the vendor is of course lying about that.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by F22 Simpilot View Post
I assume this is working like Team Viewer in how it penetrates a firewall. Which means there would have to be a third party server involved here.
Quite possibly it does the same thing. TeamViewer tries to use NAT traversal with hole-punching techniques, and resort to traffic relaying if that fails, but in any case their servers are always involved. Skype is another program that used to do the same thing (before MS bought and destroyed it). The camera can do either one, if possible, but once again, that immediately means that it's NO peer-to-peer.

And to answer your question, no, it's not safe to use such a camera. At the very least, the vendor has access (at least in theory) to see it whenever they like, and it won't surprise me if it contains a few vulnerabilities too. Wheter they actually use or sell the backdoors is a different matter.
Also, since it phones home for normal opertion, should the vendor go out of business, your camera is effectively bricked.
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11 Dec 2018   #13
F22 Simpilot

Windows 7 Ultimate x64

Yep! I thought of the possibility of a bricked camera. Oh well... only paid $36 for it. Now they want something like $50 which is asinine! I feel bad for people. I don't use it that often other than to connect its power source to my desktop USB, and fire it up when I'm out and about. It's just there to help me feel at ease that no one breaks in and monkys with my puter. My desktop right now is vulnerable to the Evil Maid hack since I use Truecrypt. I refuse to use a fork right now until they too get audited. I followed the TC audit closely and I'm happy with the result. My laptop wouldn't be so vulanarbe since the HDD has a password. You can't write or read to it without a password, and providing a manufacture password wipes the drive. Thus I'll know it. No issue, I can clone back.

Maybe I should get a Foscam (what are they called now?) or something else. I think they at least give you like 10 hours of free cloud storage. With this camera I have to use a micro SD card.

My quick write up at my own forum:

And I'm going to warn people on the APP page at Google Play. LOL! I bet, just bet my review gets buried, like how Amazon buried my purchase so I can't leave a review. Talk about collusion.
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