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Windows 7: MS Security Essentials Vs. AVG 9.0

12 Dec 2009   #41
Dinesh

Windows® 8 Pro (64-bit)
 
 

[QUOTE=clunkfish;437727]
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Martee View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dinesh View Post
I hate MSE because of its weak antispyware protection. No wonder its a strong antivirus, but it lacks better detection of SPYWARE. Also, 45-55 MB RAM usage. It needs some maturity. Its an infant IMO
Just over 7MB of RAM usage on my system - and that's while it's scanning! It doesn't seem to change whether it is just monitoring or actively scanning disks, and 7MB of RAM is not much of a load.
LOL at the bottom of the task manager, click Show Processes from All Users.
Then post a screen shot. You are showing only 1 process(msseces.exe) which is using 7 MB RAM. Where's MsMpEng.exe ? So again post a screenshot after clicking the box beside Show Processes from All Users.


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12 Dec 2009   #42
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by win7clutz View Post
My testing with MSE has been real promising so I now load it on all new builds. I don't run it myself as it's lack of basic features is a problem for me. I have a few apps that all virus programs mis-identify and a Trojan and immediately delete the exe so have to be able to easily disable auto-protect prior to running them.

Otherwise it works very well,
That's why I like the Server version Forefront Client security - MSE based but has more features - you can get a Free 180 day trial -- also works well on "Stand alone" computers and you don't have to run a Server OS either.

I really like the "Software explorer" tool -- pic enc

shows you at a glance all sorts of decent info over "start up programs" running programs. services etc etc.


Incidentally whether a program uses 50 MB / 100MB RAM in W7 is actually TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to how the OS performs / works.

"Real RAM" allocation as opposed to Virtual storage and paging is quite a complex matter -- just looking at the "Base use" numbers won't tell you anything anyway.

On most home computers -- even with a smallish amount of RAM (but not too small) the major bottleneck is in 99.99999% of the cases the appallingly slow I/O subsystems that are usually used on "non self build" machines - so don't get confused by misleading posts like "RAM Usage".

Poor graphic cards are another problem but usually unless you are a gamer this won't have major performance slowdowns except when using graphic processing programs like Photoshop. Even here the poor I/O will mask bad performance by the graphics card.

Your computer can be using 95% of available RAM and still run like greased lightning -- depends on what the computer is actually doing.

To slightly diagress - W7 uses a "Pre-fetch" algorithm -- knows after a while what type of apps you are using and often has the necessary pieces pre-loaded so that when you need them they are already in RAM and don't need to be loaded again.

This is often why when you first install and boot an OS you see Disk activity without knowing what it's doing -- the algorithm is trying to "learn" what you typically use.

Be VERY CAREFUL of statements like Huge RAM useage - not always a bad thing actually.


Of course poor applications will cause a "drain" on your system but that's another issue

Cheers
jimbo
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12 Dec 2009   #43
Martee

Vista Ultimate x64
 
 

Hi Dinesh,

Is it what you wanted to see?

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12 Dec 2009   #44
Dinesh

Windows® 8 Pro (64-bit)
 
 

This is where most of the users make mistake. People simply open up taskmgr and then look at the Process and assume that its using a low amount of memory. They often forget to check Show Processes from All Users.
That's when they realize how much RAM is being used by the anti virus.

So my humble request to all the people here; Always check Show Processes from All Users under Processes tab and then look at all the processes used by your AV and then calculate the amount of RAM.
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12 Dec 2009   #45
Dinesh

Windows® 8 Pro (64-bit)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Martee View Post
Hi Dinesh,

Is it what you wanted to see?

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Exactly. See how much RAM is used by MSE - 70Mb.
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12 Dec 2009   #46
clunkfish

Windows 7 Enterprise x64
 
 

Yep - you're right. Didn't show processes from all users, and it's actually using about 70MB - my apologies

Mind you, that is only 1.1% of what's installed
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12 Dec 2009   #47
Tews

64-bit Windows 8.1 Pro
 
 

My thoughts are that if you're that low on memory that 50mb of used memory is a concern, then its time to upgrade your memory...
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12 Dec 2009   #48
Dinesh

Windows® 8 Pro (64-bit)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by clunkfish View Post
Yep - you're right. Didn't show processes from all users, and it's actually using about 70MB - my apologies

Mind you, that is only 1.1% of what's installed
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12 Dec 2009   #49
Martee

Vista Ultimate x64
 
 

Dinesh, 70MB or 80MB is nothing, I don't feel it. I can't remember how much of ram the McAfee Total Security used, but everything was so slow. Now, it's the rocket.
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12 Dec 2009   #50
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi there
C'mon Guys

This whole RAM business is irrelevant to the issue -- I've posted about 3 or 4 back in the thread a little about RAM allocation in W7.

Don't confuse people with misleading info -- if you like or dislike a particular product fine then by all means go for the juggler and state why it's no good / or is good with evidence to back up your case

-- but confusing people with TOTALLY IRRELEVANT stuff like "70 / 100MB" RAM usage which doesn't make a single €.01's worth of difference to anybody doesn't actually lead to a proper and intelligent discussion.

Note a BAD app is a BAD app - whatever the amount of RAM it uses

I could easily get your computer to almost seize up with a TINY program (probably using less than 1 MB of RAM, and less than 2% of the CPU) so let's forget the whole RAM issue and concentrate on REAL issues like does the AV software do it's job, is it badly written etc etc.

Cheers
jimbo
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