OK I did it NOW! 100% MS Security Essentials Test

jav said:

1Bowtie said:

jav said:

You will soon see, Microsoft will decide that all new Operating Systems should come with MSE pre installed like IE now.

I see nothing wrong with that, it's free and one more protection for your comp. I'm running the latest MSE beta program ver 1901 as of the latest update and i think it's the best free program out there.

Smitty

I agree MSE is good product.

But I just don't want Microsoft to decide it for me, it is monopoly from Microsoft's side.
So I don't want it to be pre-installed on my system.

What's wrong with MSE? For example SpyNet.
When you install MSE you are forced to basic SpyNet membership.

http://www.microsoft.com/Security_Essentials/eula.aspx#mainNav said:

Microsoft SpyNet Participation. When you install the software, Microsoft SpyNet allows users to become part of a network community of users that report spyware and other forms of Potentially Unwanted Software to Microsoft. Upon initial installation, users will be opted-in by default to participate in Microsoft SpyNet under a “basic” membership, which allows the software to report potential threats identified in the software that have not yet been analyzed for risks. The reports include information about the files or programs in question. For more information about Microsoft SpyNet and the information collected for reports, see the privacy statement at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=148744.

http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/privacy.aspx said:

This software contains Internet-enabled features that collect certain standard information from your computer ("standard computer information") and send it to Microsoft. Standard computer information includes certain information about your computer software and hardware, such as your IP address, operating system, Web browser software, and version. The privacy details for each Microsoft Security Essentials feature listed in this privacy statement disclose what additional information is collected and how it is used.

Almost every other AV vendors who use similar methods allow you to block it and don't send your details and control your privacy.
If Microsoft comes Pre installed with MSE that means, one had to agree those Privacy statements aswell.

And for other reasons I wouldn't like MSE come pre insatlled with Windows.

You realize the odds of them bundling MSE is extremely low...why do you think the EU is suing them right now??

...Bundling Applications...if anything it will become an optional Windows Update


Actually I am going to bring up a really valid point...why do folks fear this virus app over others? Microsoft develops the OS...who better to also patch up and protect its own vulnerabilities...

Other VS work well but they themselves don't know what truly goes on in Windows...only MS does and that can make a difference when trying to protect its' security

Zidane24 said:

jav said:

1Bowtie said:

I see nothing wrong with that, it's free and one more protection for your comp. I'm running the latest MSE beta program ver 1901 as of the latest update and i think it's the best free program out there.

Smitty

I agree MSE is good product.

But I just don't want Microsoft to decide it for me, it is monopoly from Microsoft's side.
So I don't want it to be pre-installed on my system.

What's wrong with MSE? For example SpyNet.
When you install MSE you are forced to basic SpyNet membership.

http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/privacy.aspx said:

This software contains Internet-enabled features that collect certain standard information from your computer ("standard computer information") and send it to Microsoft. Standard computer information includes certain information about your computer software and hardware, such as your IP address, operating system, Web browser software, and version. The privacy details for each Microsoft Security Essentials feature listed in this privacy statement disclose what additional information is collected and how it is used.

Almost every other AV vendors who use similar methods allow you to block it and don't send your details and control your privacy.
If Microsoft comes Pre installed with MSE that means, one had to agree those Privacy statements aswell.

And for other reasons I wouldn't like MSE come pre insatlled with Windows.

You realize the odds of them bundling MSE is extremely low...why do you think the EU is suing them right now??

...Bundling Applications...if anything it will become an optional Windows Update


Actually I am going to bring up a really valid point...why do folks fear this virus app over others? Microsoft develops the OS...who better to also patch up and protect its own vulnerabilities...

Other VS work well but they themselves don't know what truly goes on in Windows...only MS does and that can make a difference when trying to protect its' security

+1 very good point.

Smitty

jav said:

Zidane24 said:

You realize the odds of them bundling MSE is extremely low...why do you think the EU is suing them right now??

...Bundling Applications...if anything it will become an optional Windows Update


Actually I am going to bring up a really valid point...why do folks fear this virus app over others? Microsoft develops the OS...who better to also patch up and protect its own vulnerabilities...

Other VS work well but they themselves don't know what truly goes on in Windows...only MS does and that can make a difference when trying to protect its' security

I do realize it.
But it's not something impossible.
It is possible.

EU against Microsoft.
Yeah, it is going somewhat nice for consumers now.

But remember old case about IE.
Microsoft won some of them. And Windows still shipped with IE.

What was Microsoft's proposal to EU, that they will create Windows 7 E, which is Windows 7 version without IE and will be shipped to Europe.

But what happened? They canceled it and shipped normal version Windows 7 into Europe.
Now they are talking about ballot screen which will give users to choose their browser.
But where is it? Windows 7 is in the markets for some time already but neither Windows 7 E nor browser choose screen has been implemented yet.

So, if we live them, Microsoft can do it and bundle MSE with next version of Winodows.

Remember, Microsoft is still by far one of the most powerful and rich corporations in the word.
So...

That's why I am aware of it.

About MSE, I personally don't "fear" it.
I even liked it on some why and used it.
But as I stated I prefer other products over MSE for not just protection but usabality they give me.
As far as I can remember it was my choice to choose AV product.

No offence to anybody.
EDIT: article about microsoft and EU: Microsoft ditches Windows 7 E plans ? The Register

I don't think So. IE isn't the default Browser for nothing. Imagine MS in charge of your security system. I don't think that will fly. Especially when 2 anti virus programs collide.

Lets stick on topic guys.

jav said:

Zidane24 said:

Microsoft develops the OS...who better to also patch up and protect its own vulnerabilities...

Other VS work well but they themselves don't know what truly goes on in Windows...only MS does and that can make a difference when trying to protect its' security

I hear this statement a lot regarding to MSE.
But the fact they created OS, doesn't mean they know what to do with it.

Just simple example:
Internet Explorer.

Yeah, Microsoft know how to create OS, but it's other products aren't that great, are they?

Firstly for most users Internet Explorer lacks usability. That's why they are switching to other browsers.
IE still has the biggest marketshare but it's only because corporations where people are forced to use it as it comes with Microsoft forcedly aswell.

How many year it took Microsoft make IE less vulnerable browser?
Almost everybody agrees that IE versions below 8 where and are one of the less secure browsers.

So where was Microsoft then?
Even then microsoft was the one who created Windows, and they new evrything about OS and what's going on in the OS.
What was Microsoft doing when, Other companies like Opera, Google, Mozilla were able to make browser which worked on Microsft's OS and still was better, more secure and more comfortable to use then IE.

They managed it even though as you say, they didn't know what's going on in the Windows.
But Microsoft's knowledge of All aspects and behaviours of Windows didn't help them get their IE to the level of the browsers which are created by other companies, some based on open-source projects.

You know that's why claiming MSE will be great product as Microsoft knows best is Wrong!

As history shows other companies were better to make software (which out performed Microsoft's product not by only security but Performance, usability aswell) in Microsoft's own field.

Um...how did IE come into all of this? If you are going to argue that since IE is not a good product...all MS products must be sub-par Microsoft is departmentalized (as of its court ruling in 2000) and separated...the IE division is separate than the Windows division...the IE people suck I agree

...and claiming that MSE will be a great product solely on my last quote is a false and pretentious assumption: there are tests and benchmarks out there that already prove its' effectiveness

What I am saying is that Microsoft knows what vulnerabilities exist in its own OS...

jav said:

Dinesh said:

Lets stick on topic guys.

Sorry

Zidane24 said:

Um...how did IE come into all of this? If you are going to argue that since IE is not a good product...all MS products must be sub-par Microsoft is departmentalized (as of its court ruling in 2000) and separated...the IE division is separate than the Windows division...the IE people suck I agree

...and claiming that MSE will be a great product solely on my last quote is a false and pretentious assumption: there are tests and benchmarks out there that already prove its' effectiveness

What I am saying is that Microsoft knows what vulnerabilities exist in its own OS...

Underlined parts.
Same applies to MSE aswell.
So MSE guys aswell separated from main Microsoft guys who develop Windows.
ANd they have the chance to fail aswell like IE guys.

But, anyway, Thank you I understood your point and respect it.
I hope you will understand mine aswell.
Everybody has right to have his opinion.

I respect your guys opinions, but it seems in some cases we think differently.

As Dinesh pointed out, let's stick to the topic.
Sorry for all this mess (I suppose I was the main cause for that )

I also respect yours...good discussion!