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Windows 7: So, you think you are secure and don't need precautions

05 Jan 2010   #21
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by UrbanBounca View Post
No, I use Google all the time, but I won't click any link that isn't legitimate. There is a difference between Wikipedia.org and 8349stuff.38373.gythel.com.
Yes, and had the link been OBVIOUS such as 8349stuff.38373.gythel.com, I wouldn't have gone there either. However, something like htt://shoutback.com/metro/detroit/news/2010/01/04/WCSX-drops-DeminskiDoyle might not have appeared very questionable. It's too bad that I don't have the original link that I went to which tripped this up...I think you would find it didn't have an obviously fishy URL.

This type of response is exactly the type of response that I was talking about. Even though many of us think we are so much smarter or better equipped than everybody else...it's surprisingly easy to get tripped up with something minor like this...which is NOT obvious nor something that common sense really would have prevented. I've been using computers on the Internet since 1993 and haven't had any significant issues either...just minor things along the way.


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05 Jan 2010   #22
TGSoldier

 
 

I have to agree with urban on this one...
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05 Jan 2010   #23
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TGSoldier View Post
I have to agree with urban on this one...
That's fine guys, I can take the heat. If you want to rely on common sense and bank on the fact that only bad stuff can happen from poorly formed URL's...that's totally cool by me.

I posted this as example from somebody who knows this stuff, does this for a living, can use common sense on which URLS look fishy or not, is essentially trouble free and has always been....even then....although rare as it is, I depend upon various tools on my Windows box to keep things running smoothly.
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05 Jan 2010   #24
GeorgeB

Windows 7
 
 
Protection is important

You definately need antivirus protection if you are doing any kind of surfing. Even legid sites can infect you.

How, well most sites have some form of advertising on the site, the advertising is being hosted on another website which could be infected.

So, you arrive at a good site and have no antivirus, BOOM infected and you will not even know you are. You have just become part of a zombie machine, your machine runs perfectly fine, but someone else is watching and can control it anytime.
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05 Jan 2010   #25
Jacee
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate 32bit SP1
 
 

I totally disagree with UrbanBounca. I've been studying malware and 'drive-by' droppers for far too long, to even suggest that protection against such isn't necessary.
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05 Jan 2010   #26
TGSoldier

 
 

I just relived your experience and googled "Deminski and Doyle"... Cleary, (Well to me) the last couple sites are not legit...
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05 Jan 2010   #27
UrbanBounca

Windows 7 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Jacee View Post
I totally disagree with UrbanBounca. I've been studying malware and 'drive-by' droppers for far too long, to even suggest that protection against such isn't necessary.
I'm currently studying law enforcement. In my experience studying the topic, juvenile violence is at an all-time high. However, in your experience as an average individual, juvenile violence hasn't changed in the past 10 years.

My point is that when you're studying something, whether it be law enforcement or PC security, it's going to look more severe to you, than to your average individual.

I haven't seen any extremely severe viruses, and with that being said, I don't feel I need the protection against them. It may be my ignorance, but when all is said and done, I'm still virus free, no matter how serious they have become.
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05 Jan 2010   #28
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

In my case, this wasn't severe at all. In fact, I cannot honestly say that it broke any of those icons...that may have just been a coincidence.

However, the checker detected it as a malicious java script page, and quarantined the browser cache file and such immediately as it happened. Without said checker, I would have likely just hit X on the website and went on oblivious to the fact that a malicious javascript file might have been lurking on my machine ready to install software if it was ever launched. So, without knowing about it from Trend...I might not have ever encountered any other problems....but that doesn't change the fact that it was there and could have caused problems. To me the ounce of prevention is worth having. To others, maybe not so much.
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05 Jan 2010   #29
UrbanBounca

Windows 7 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
To me the ounce of prevention is worth having. To others, maybe not so much.
I can completely agree with that statement.
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05 Jan 2010   #30
Carbonyl

Windows 7 RTM
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
Without said checker, I would have likely just hit X on the website and went on oblivious to the fact that a malicious javascript file might have been lurking on my machine ready to install software if it was ever launched.
If you had hit the 'X', the javascript file would not have just 'lurked'. The 'X' wasn't windows dialogue box button - It was a disguised Javascript 'I AGREE TO BE INFECTED' button, which was mocked up to look like a windows dialogue button. You would have been immediately redirected to a page which would scan your system for vulnerabilities, and then would automatically deliver a payload in accord with those vulnerabilities.

More than likely, and auto-download and an attempt to auto-execute would have occurred, but it's hard to say since these vectors morph on the fly to attack different systems.

I'm just pointing out that this is the new anatomy of attack. There is no 'waiting to be launched'. It'll find a way to launch itself.

EDIT: Additionally, in regard to the continuing conversation, you don't need to click anything to initiate the attack, either! You could be staring down one of these fakealerts just by using your bookmarks.

Here's a story with a recent example. In this particularly nasty situation, all someone had to do is visit one of the trusted websites afflicted, and have Acrobat installed. Bam. Infected.

It doesn't take a genius to stay safe? I'll agree with that. But it doesn't take a moron to get infected these days, either. The point here is that the bad guys are getting crafty. They are dangerous because they outstep your expectations.
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