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Windows 7: Defender Refuses to Stay On

21 Jan 2010   #11
Greg S

Windows 7 Professional 32-bit (6.1, Build 7600)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jav View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by crashnet View Post

thanks, but that wasnt one of the questions.
oh, I see.
ok, I haven't done it myself. Turning off all it's services and process is possible aswell.

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1605143&postcount=52
This is what I've done on my system: as admin install MSE as normal, msconfig and uncheck MSE, in search box access system services with ' services.msc ' hit enter, disable the ' microsoft antimalware service '. There are still a couple of MSE startup items that will in startup that you can untick using autoruns ( http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb963902.aspx)

After you reboot there will be no processes, services, or anything running from MSE. You can switch to your admin account when you want to run a scan, enable the MSE service, update MSE and run a scan whenever you want, then re-disable the service and untick the MSE entries in autoruns, reboot and its completely disabled. I like MSE's detection & removal capabilities and having at least an AV installed so I don't completely rely upon online scanners.

BTW, I previously used a similar process with AVG, but AVG had several services & startup items to disable, and had about 9 entries hidden in autoruns compared to 2 in MSE (one for MSE and on for the right click 'scan on contect feature), also MSE only requires 1 service to run, making it a very light light program even with its default configuration when compared to other scanners.
So, as you can see, according to this person he already did it.
I can't guarantee anything, But I suppose it will not cause any harm.
I haven't read the tip but it seems pointless to do. Once one starts a scan or right click scan, all the services and protection are re-activated to their normal default state. Not to mention, if you disable anything within MSE, Windows will gripe about it although one could disable that warning very easily.


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21 Jan 2010   #12
jav

Windows 7 Ultimate x86 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Greg S View Post

I haven't read the tip but it seems pointless to do. Once one starts a scan or right click scan, all the services and protection are re-activated to their normal default state. Not to mention, if you disable anything within MSE, Windows will gripe about it although one could disable that warning very easily.
Shouldn't, If you put services to start manually.
So after restart all services should be off again.
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21 Jan 2010   #13
crashnet

Win 7 x32 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Corrine View Post
You have me confused. From your first post which was about Windows Defender not on to your last which was asking about disabling MSE sounds like a contradiction to me.
i can see why you would get confused. the OP is about Defender. but as the thread progressed i considered ditching AVG (and defender) and installing MSE.

thanks!
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21 Jan 2010   #14
crashnet

Win 7 x32 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jav View Post
Shouldn't, If you put services to start manually.
So after restart all services should be off again.
I don't use resident scanners and its a pain to have to deactivate them. If everytime i do a right click scan i have to stop those services manually its reason enough to stay away from MSE...

anyone else confirm this behavior?

thanks! there is a reason this forum comes up #1 for windows 7 related topics on google :)
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22 Jan 2010   #15
crashnet

Win 7 x32 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by severedsolo View Post
AVG disables Defender, even if resident shield is off, it still has its own Anti spyware bits running
I confirm this behavior to be true. First restart after AVG was uninstalled I found Defender ON.

I'm going to stick with MSE for now. MSE proved superior to AVG on EVERY aspect, as tested by AV-Comparatives - Independent Tests of Anti-Virus Software - Welcome to AV-Comparatives.org
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23 Jan 2010   #16
severedsolo

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

AVG is also notorius for coming out with false positives, i cant link to the test, as its on a torrent website, and i think id be dicing with the rules a little, but the general concensus is that AVG uses mainly Heuristic behaviour detectors, which are a little tightly wound,

its a little odd that your Windows was warning you defender was disabled though, when i had AVG it just said that i had antispyware installed and it was fine, but i had the resident shield on
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23 Jan 2010   #17
Greg S

Windows 7 Professional 32-bit (6.1, Build 7600)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by crashnet View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jav View Post
Shouldn't, If you put services to start manually.
So after restart all services should be off again.
If everytime i do a right click scan i have to stop those services manually its reason enough to stay away from MSE...

anyone else confirm this behavior?

:)
jav, yes I agree, a restart would place the services in the state they are manually set to. crashnet, yes to you. I've already mentioned this. Right click scan, be it a file folder or drive will place the services back to their default state and will not change back until you restart, as mentioned, or go back into services manually before restart and disable them which is very inconvenient.

Edit: Ok, I've finally taken the time to read the link jav points to. This person is essentially saying the same thing I'm saying here. Services and settings will have to be re-disabled after any kind of scan.
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23 Jan 2010   #18
Corrine

Windows 7 & Windows Vista Ultimate
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by crashnet View Post
. . .
I only use AV on demand to keep the machine running faster (have not had an infection of any kind in 9 years)
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by crashnet View Post
I'm going to stick with MSE for now. MSE proved superior to AVG on EVERY aspect, as tested by AV-Comparatives - Independent Tests of Anti-Virus Software - Welcome to AV-Comparatives.org
Particularly based on your earlier comment, I am very happy to see your decision.
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23 Jan 2010   #19
BWK

 

As for disabling information collection by MSE, Is there any way of doing so. That was why I didn't continue to use it. It wanted to much information sent back to them. that's just unnecessary bandwidth. I personally am not into the snooping of others information, I will voluntarily submit information to better a product but to just have it taken without consent just seems wrong. It's kind of like Googles snooping with our browsing habits.
As I stated I am all for volunteering information, but to just come and take it from me is in my eyes wrong.
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23 Jan 2010   #20
jav

Windows 7 Ultimate x86 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by BWK View Post
As for disabling information collection by MSE, Is there any way of doing so. That was why I didn't continue to use it. It wanted to much information sent back to them. that's just unnecessary bandwidth. I personally am not into the snooping of others information, I will voluntarily submit information to better a product but to just have it taken without consent just seems wrong. It's kind of like Googles snooping with our browsing habits.
As I stated I am all for volunteering information, but to just come and take it from me is in my eyes wrong.
You can't.
It would be violation of Terms of Use MSE

http://www.microsoft.com/Security_Es...y.aspx#mainNav
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