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Windows 7: Avira free or Norton Internet Security???

17 Feb 2010   #21
DarkRhystar

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jav View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DarkRhystar View Post

I don't use Norton and I don't recommend it.

Unless you're a tech enthusiast or a security aficionado, you're not likely to be running the most up-to-date versions of all your software and Norton is awful at maintaining compatibility with other applications. Often times, the hotfixes and updates will fix problems only to create more of them. Troubleshooting a system running Norton quickly becomes a painful process because no version of Norton ever seems to work with everything.

The ideal security system to me is one that you can turn on and forget it exists. This means a low memory footprint, non-invasive security measures, and no compatibility issues. Norton doesn't achieve any of those and it's a costly investment at that.

Just to be clear, isn't knowledge that's 5 years old, this is last week knowledge.
Any evidence to backup your statement?
Of course.

Here's the latest issue I ran into with Norton on a machine where it conflicted with QuickBooks and basically stopped the user from using it at all. That one took a fairly long time to hammer out unfortunately.

I realize that you might be a Norton user that is very happy with your security setup, but please also realize that the software ecosystem for other users and also businesses varies greatly. I'm not attacking your preference or telling you that you are wrong for liking Norton, however due to issues I've seen and fixed in the (old and recent) past with Norton that it's not something I can recommend.


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17 Feb 2010   #22
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DarkRhystar View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jav View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DarkRhystar View Post

I don't use Norton and I don't recommend it.

Unless you're a tech enthusiast or a security aficionado, you're not likely to be running the most up-to-date versions of all your software and Norton is awful at maintaining compatibility with other applications. Often times, the hotfixes and updates will fix problems only to create more of them. Troubleshooting a system running Norton quickly becomes a painful process because no version of Norton ever seems to work with everything.

The ideal security system to me is one that you can turn on and forget it exists. This means a low memory footprint, non-invasive security measures, and no compatibility issues. Norton doesn't achieve any of those and it's a costly investment at that.

Just to be clear, isn't knowledge that's 5 years old, this is last week knowledge.
Any evidence to backup your statement?
Of course.

Here's the latest issue I ran into with Norton on a machine where it conflicted with QuickBooks and basically stopped the user from using it at all. That one took a fairly long time to hammer out unfortunately.

I realize that you might be a Norton user that is very happy with your security setup, but please also realize that the software ecosystem for other users and also businesses varies greatly. I'm not attacking your preference or telling you that you are wrong for liking Norton, however due to issues I've seen and fixed in the (old and recent) past with Norton that it's not something I can recommend.
This looks like a problem with Quick Books. Quote: " This error may also occur even if Norton 360 is not installed on the computer". If nothing else, you can always put a program on the Norton exclusion list. I ran into a similar problem using MSE. A completely innocent little program would be harrassed by MSE. After I put it on the exclusion list there was no more problem.
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17 Feb 2010   #23
Dinesh

Windows® 8 Pro (64-bit)
 
 

I prefer norton products as I dont see any issues running it on my win7 64bit.
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17 Feb 2010   #24
DarkRhystar

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
This looks like a problem with Quick Books. Quote: " This error may also occur even if Norton 360 is not installed on the computer". If nothing else, you can always put a program on the Norton exclusion list. I ran into a similar problem using MSE. A completely innocent little program would be harrassed by MSE. After I put it on the exclusion list there was no more problem.
Well, in this case it was directly caused by the Norton update and the solution on that page failed (and a few others). It came out to a decision by the user on whether to rollback the update or buy the latest version of QuickBooks (which apparently doesn't suffer from this issue). Unfortunately they picked rolling back the update.
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17 Feb 2010   #25
Cocopara

Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit
 
 

Dont get, Avira, Norton or MSE, MSE is only if you got low amount of Ram.

Avira = Pwnd by AVG

If you want good protection,
-Disable Windows Firewall
-Download Zone Alarm Firewall
-Download Eset, Zone Alarm Internet Security or Kaspersky (Zone Alarm running the Kaspersky engine)
-Download Malwarebytes (one off the best ive come over and found 10 trojans other programs could not)
-Download Super Anti Spyware

Download this from Cnet as there is less or no chance of getting virus from the download there.

But if choosing between Avira and Norton, I would pick Norton, if its the 2009/2010
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17 Feb 2010   #26
scoopeeedoo

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Cocopara View Post
Dont get, Avira, Norton or MSE, MSE is only if you got low amount of Ram.

Avira = Pwnd by AVG

If you want good protection,
-Disable Windows Firewall
-Download Zone Alarm Firewall
-Download Eset, Zone Alarm Internet Security or Kaspersky (Zone Alarm running the Kaspersky engine)
-Download Malwarebytes (one off the best ive come over and found 10 trojans other programs could not)
-Download Super Anti Spyware

Download this from Cnet as there is less or no chance of getting virus from the download there.

But if choosing between Avira and Norton, I would pick Norton, if its the 2009/2010
About Zone Alarm : i installed it but had always Windows Maintenance Center alerts saying i had no firewall installed, however everything seemed to be ok...(!!!???)
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17 Feb 2010   #27
Cocopara

Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit
 
 

Hmm, You sure you downloaded Zone Alarm Firewall, I turned windows firewall off and task manager said, WARNING: """
When I downloaded ZOne Alarms firewall its all fine, but dont care about task manager, aslong as Zone Alarm works, your PC is protected, Its anti virus is good and based on the "one of the best" anti virus engines. But I suggest get Eset or Kaspersky, with Eset its an inbuilt Firewall which comes in handy, though im not sure how good it is
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18 Feb 2010   #28
scoopeeedoo

 
 

This morning's outcome :
Avira is far behind with 2 points...
Many other suggestions about other choices ("5 points"),
but Norton seems to have fought his ol'demons and reached a lot of user's trust now, he gets 9 points...
Thanks to all of you, i'll have a look this afternoon, after work, and probably will make my (hard!) choice...
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18 Feb 2010   #29
Cocopara

Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot View Post
I'd go with MSE if you don't do anything risky on the internet and Comodo Internet Security if you like to go to sites at random. Comodo has a higher detection rate than NIS or Avira, and the firewall, for lack of better term, just rocks... only firewall I've seen that shows realtime traffic by service, application and IP, with the option to terminate any connection you choose at any time

..., Comodo has got many bad reviews for their security, Id rather suggest untiing, Zonealarm Firewall with Eset Smart Security (Nod 32 Anti Virus With Firewall), I have no experience with Comodo myself, but when I googled it, it really got punched down harder then the +'ers.
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18 Feb 2010   #30
Cocopara

Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by scoopeeedoo View Post
This morning's outcome :
Avira is far behind with 2 points...
Many other suggestions about other choices ("5 points"),
but Norton seems to have fought his ol'demons and reached a lot of user's trust now, he gets 9 points...
Thanks to all of you, i'll have a look this afternoon, after work, and probably will make my (hard!) choice...
Indeed, Avira is like Avast, Rubbish.
Norton really is a rubbish Anti Virus, compared to many others, but it works, if your one off those teenagers whos curious, like to download new and unknown programs, get Kaspersky or eset :P, with Zonealarms firewall (10x beter then window's)
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