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Windows 7: NOD32 caused slow-down, AVAST hasn't

02 Mar 2010   #31
gregrocker

 

The profit margin is so thin that the sponsored bloatware provides almost all of the profit they make off of the sale.

MS gives them a nice cost break of Windows to preinstall Ofc trial, which is almost bait-n-switch since the average User will make a bunch of Ofc files and then get handed a bill for $260 3 months later when it is too late to use Works instead and no way to convert them.

The Norton magnate has become a billionaire off of bloating new computers to the point of corruption just by turning it on, or trying to uninstall it.

Most galling of all is tech support trying to tell us we can't clean reinstall or it voids support (not hardware) warranty. Next they'll threaten to break kneecaps. Have had to troubleshoot a hardware issue on a Toshiba with Win7 by pretending to be on Vista or they wouldn't talk to me.

The exception is a business computer, since they won't do it to each other apparently - just us plebes, scraping around like we're doing something sneaky to get a clean install on our own property for the past few years. Another legacy of the Vista bloatmonster.


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03 Mar 2010   #32
remm

Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
The profit margin is so thin that the sponsored bloatware provides almost all of the profit they make off of the sale.
Just a clarification that you are talking about the hardware vendor, not MS.
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MS gives them a nice cost break of Windows to preinstall Ofc trial, which is almost bait-n-switch since the average User will make a bunch of Ofc files and then get handed a bill for $260 3 months later when it is too late to use Works instead and no way to convert them.
And one of these is adware... can't remember if it's Works or the "Student Office" package...
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The Norton magnate has become a billionaire off of bloating new computers to the point of corruption just by turning it on, or trying to uninstall it.

Most galling of all is tech support trying to tell us we can't clean reinstall or it voids support (not hardware) warranty. Next they'll threaten to break kneecaps. Have had to troubleshoot a hardware issue on a Toshiba with Win7 by pretending to be on Vista or they wouldn't talk to me.

The exception is a business computer, since they won't do it to each other apparently - just us plebes, scraping around like we're doing something sneaky to get a clean install on our own property for the past few years. Another legacy of the Vista bloatmonster.
Another legacy of MS and the arrogant way it looks down on its customer base as morons to be dictated to at their own expense -- to the immense profit of Microsoft. Don't get me wrong... I like the W7 OS system, having been using Windows now for over 20 years. My computer is another refuge, and Windows is the furniture and window dressing of that refuge. It's home. But I have lost all respect for the company behind it.
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03 Mar 2010   #33
antharr

Windows 7 64x
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Frostmourne View Post
Personally, I'm not paying for any antivirus packages again. Probably ever. I use MSE - it has everything you need and naturally works with 7. I would be very careful with what antivirus package you choose. 7 is new, and the vendors are getting sloppy - NOD32, AVG cough cough.

When this Norton 360 licence expires on the laptop in my specs, MSE is going to be installed.
I loathe security suites with a passion. I like taking the modular approach and installing an individual app for each of my needs. I use Nod32 2.7 (which works great with 7 by the way), Malwarebytes, SuperAntiSpyware, and SpywareBlaster. I don't use any software firewalls because I am behind a NAT firewall and keep my machine clean. If I needed a software firewall I would probably use Comodo.

Suites tend to cause all sorts of issues from blocking your internet connection to slowing you system down. I see it every single day. I cannot count the times I have had to completely uninstall Norton, Mcafee, or Trend at work. All the apps mentioned claim to have spyware protection but do a horrible job at detecting and removal.

With that being said I ran MSE through some tests this morning against my Nod32 2.7. and I have to say I was very pleased with the results. It blocked all attempts to change homepages, registry keys, and host file entries. Although Nod blocked them all as well.......it isn't free. I would say that if you have the system resources to run MSE and don't want to fork out cash then MSE looks pretty darn solid.
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03 Mar 2010   #34
The Blessed One

 

This thread is ridiculous.

Your using Nod32 2.7 which is completely out-of-date. The newest version is Nod32 4.0.474

Your 2.7 version:

1. It was released over 3 years ago.
2. It was not designed for Windows 7.
3. It uses an old engine to detect and remove malware.
4. The newest Nod32 Antivirus is 4.0.474


It's people like you who give good products a bad name, stop using the old 2.7 version and use the 4.0 and if you still find that it slows your system/causes other problems for Windows 7, then you can start a thread etc...

Use some common sense!
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03 Mar 2010   #35
unifex

Windows 7 Ultimate (x64)
 
 

I was reading this thread since I am using ESET v.4 on Windows 7 x64. I have purchased the license when they came up with the 64-bit version, that was before MSE appeared. So naturally I will keep using ESET till the end of the license.

To the main subject of the thread - I have never experienced severe problems, although sometimes downloaded files get scanned for a second longer than I would like. Not always though. As far as actual performance (detecting threats, not "not slowing down the system") - I am behind NAT firewall as well and I clean up cookies automatically every day, and don't go to suspicious sites, so as a result - no threats.

As far as the MSE - I honestly do not know whether it does anything beyond scanning for viruses. It would bother me a lot if it did. OK, my OS is naturally legit, but if MSE tried to check that every day, as well as check whether my other software were properly licensed - I am not sure I like that, especially if information gets sent to Microsoft. I do not share the "evil corporation conspiracy" opinion, I don't care if my new PC comes with pre-installed bloatware - I think vendors are entitled to their profits, after all they are providing me with computers so powerful so cheap (I recall the old days when I had a Digital Alpha workstation at the University costing many thousands of dollars running 64-bit proprietary UNIX for which one had to purchase license keys every year for about $300 on the campus-wide superdeal). But I don't like my computer to do something I am not fully aware of, particularly if this involves internet connection. This is basically my main motivation for running my software firewall in addition to the NAT hardware one - I can control which app accesses the net. In particular I see no reason why software such as Adobe Acrobat or Microsoft Word or Nero need to access the internet on a daily basis, so I block them from doing so. It is of course slightly annoying that if I buy an HP printer, then the supplied software comes with an online shop app and so on and so forth, but I guess that's how they make money these days - hardware is way too cheap. So I guess I have to pay for this with my time - uninstalling all the crap that they put in, but lucky for me, this only takes a moment during lunchtime.
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03 Mar 2010   #36
Nero

Windows 7 64-bit/XP
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by The Blessed One View Post
This thread is ridiculous.

Your using Nod32 2.7 which is completely out-of-date. The newest version is Nod32 4.0.474

Your 2.7 version:

1. It was released over 3 years ago.
2. It was not designed for Windows 7.
3. It uses an old engine to detect and remove malware.
4. The newest Nod32 Antivirus is 4.0.474

It's people like you who give good products a bad name, stop using the old 2.7 version and use the 4.0 and if you still find that it slows your system/causes other problems for Windows 7, then you can start a thread etc...

Use some common sense!
bout time someone pointed that out....ESET the best!

"Also, security these days goes far beyond a layer of protection for the operating system (Windows). Many threats have nothing to do with the underlying operating system. They are in Firefox, Mozilla, browser plug-ins, infected web sites, social engineering, other applications (such as Adobe), etc.
So it is healthiest for the security providers, and the users, if Microsoft is on the same playing field—distributing through similar channels and not taking advantage of their almost monopolistic domination of operating system distribution.
MSE is not the silver bullet but it is also not the bad sequel to One Care that some claim—it is just another average security product. It has probably been hyped much more than deserved and thus the Shakespeare comparison may be the best. A recent review by Neil Rubenking of PCMag (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2353699,00.asp) probably says it best:
So should you rely on Microsoft Security Essentials for free protection? I’d say no, unless you strongly value the Microsoft name. My own testing suggests that you’ll do better with one of the other free anti-malware solutions such as AVG Anti-Virus Free or avast! antivirus Home Edition.
Ultimately security is about trust. The user has to trust that the product (and the company behind the product) will protect them, their computer, and their data. We are glad we have earned the trust of over 90 million users. We aim to keep and enlarge that trust.
Who do you trust?"
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03 Mar 2010   #37
remm

Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Nero View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by The Blessed One View Post
This thread is ridiculous.

Your using Nod32 2.7 which is completely out-of-date. The newest version is Nod32 4.0.474

Your 2.7 version:

1. It was released over 3 years ago.
2. It was not designed for Windows 7.
3. It uses an old engine to detect and remove malware.
4. The newest Nod32 Antivirus is 4.0.474

It's people like you who give good products a bad name, stop using the old 2.7 version and use the 4.0 and if you still find that it slows your system/causes other problems for Windows 7, then you can start a thread etc...

Use some common sense!
bout time someone pointed that out....ESET the best!
Please read a thread from the beginning if you want to chime in, especially to wrongfully criticize and be snarky. I am the OP and my experience (which I stated in the very first post) is that NOD32 2.7 hung on downloading files AND made deleting small files from the desktop take several seconds. It did this in both Vista 32-bit and W7 64-bit. Being a huge NOD32 fan for years, I updated to the current trial version (also stated in the first post for those who actually READ), because I figured the problem was that my NOD32 vers was too old. Unfortunately, the most current version 4.0.474 created the same behaviors as 2.7 after just an hour or so of using it.

If NOD32 still works for you, great. If it still worked for me, I'd still be using it too. But just b/c someone's experience is different from yours, doesn't make this a ridiculous string. I suggest reading the thread from the beginning before putting your foot in your mouth, or opt to simply lurk if you don't want to bother or don't have the time.
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03 Mar 2010   #38
remm

Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit
 
 

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I loathe security suites with a passion. I like taking the modular approach and installing an individual app for each of my needs.
I'm with you. SuperAntiSpyware, Spyware Blaster and AVAST at the mo'. Then a few OD scanners I use occasionally to double-check.
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With that being said I ran MSE through some tests this morning against my Nod32 2.7. and I have to say I was very pleased with the results. It blocked all attempts to change homepages, registry keys, and host file entries.
Any current AV will do this. AVAST does too.
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Although Nod blocked them all as well.......it isn't free. I would say that if you have the system resources to run MSE and don't want to fork out cash then MSE looks pretty darn solid.
As one of the other posters pointed out, who do you trust? If you trust MS, then go right ahead. OTOH, AVAST is also free and beat MSE in all independent testing that I saw. Not that I was looking for MSE results, but I noticed them while comparing candidates I would have considered.
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03 Mar 2010   #39
antharr

Windows 7 64x
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by The Blessed One View Post
This thread is ridiculous.

Your using Nod32 2.7 which is completely out-of-date. The newest version is Nod32 4.0.474

Your 2.7 version:

1. It was released over 3 years ago.
2. It was not designed for Windows 7.
3. It uses an old engine to detect and remove malware.
4. The newest7 Nod32 Antivirus is 4.0.474


It's people like you who give good products a bad name, stop using the old 2.7 version and use the 4.0 and if you still find that it slows your system/causes other problems for Windows 7, then you can start a thread etc...

Use some common sense!
I love NOd32. I am using 2.7 on my 7 machine and have had no problems.
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03 Mar 2010   #40
Vice

MS Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Frostmourne View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by tw33k View Post
NOD32 is the only AV I have ever continued to use. I've tried others but always went back. Never had a single problem with NOD32.
Fair enough, but its now unnecessary - MSE has everything you need or will use for nothing.
I also like MSE, but after reading numerous reviews, they always say avast and nod32 are still better than it? =\
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