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Windows 7: What's the Best Anti-virus?

25 Dec 2013   #701
Jonguy30

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

Does anyone know if avira has disabled messages in their AV? Because I'm no longer getting "Virus definitions updated" pop-ups anymore. I have to check in the system tray if it has been updated. And it's supposed to update twice a day, and when I don't get pop-ups I don't know if it has even been updated! And my PC CPU and RAM used to increase when it updated, now it doesn't do that. I don't know if I should trust avira anymore... I tried reinstalling but still the same. Sigh.


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28 Dec 2013   #702
Atarian

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
 
 

I can get Symantec Endpoint Protection for free from work - so I've been using that on my desktop and two notebooks. I also had it installed on an Asus netbook but when I upgraded it to Vista (from XP) it didn't seem to like that. After several un/re-installs I loaded McAfee (also free from work) and it seems to work fine. I like the interface of SEP better but that's probably because I've been using Symantec/Norton since the mid 1990's.
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28 Dec 2013   #703
UsernameIssues

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

I also use employer provided SEP :-(

Norton AntiVirus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Symantec and other major antivirus vendors have whitelisted the Magic Lantern trojan, rendering their antivirus products, including Norton AntiVirus, incapable of detecting it. Concerns around this whitelisting include uncertainties about Magic Lantern's full surveillance potential and whether hackers could subvert it and redeploy it for purposes outside of law enforcement.
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29 Dec 2013   #704
zapp22

Windows XP Pro SP3, Windows 7 Pro 32-bit, Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit, Windows XP Home SP3
 
 

i'm amazed mcafee is still considered a company. their founder is a certified homicidal sociopath.

all the technical people in the community really need to adopt new terminology for these things.
the AV vendors talk about "defense" as though their products address such. few do.
AV for the most part is remediation, not defense. when we banter about good and bad we don't distinguish.
the one thing AVAST did very well was "defense" in look-ahead link threat assessment. I don't see any other freebee product doing that effectively, though the Chrome browser team at least try to maintain blacklists that can accomplish a little of the same thing. Aside from these measures, are any of the others doing ANY defensive measures?

and if its remediation we're really talking about here, why bother? why load something like the pointless Symantec wad on your machine? what are you expecting it to do for you as it menaces in the background? 50/50 chance it itself is likely to do damage to your experience. as the old saying goes; one should not mistake incompetence for malice.
and if we address remediation, there are more precise tools to be used for that effort, though the effort is necessarily time consuming. anyone that is experienced at trying to undo the damage of a real infection learns the better path is usually to zero the drive securely and reload.
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29 Dec 2013   #705
UsernameIssues

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by zapp22 View Post
i'm amazed mcafee is still considered a company. their founder is a certified homicidal sociopath.
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I'm no fan of McAfee's product line, but the founder resigned from the company in 1994 and Intel has owned the company since 2011.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by zapp22 View Post
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the one thing AVAST did very well was "defense" in look-ahead link threat assessment.
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What criteria did you use to determine that this was done well?
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31 Dec 2013   #706
Dallas 7

Windows 7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ICit2lol View Post
Yep well it is just broken down into sections and section 2 is the real time scanners.
Having said that I think you are doing the best thing because as someone else mentioned and I did too that for the small cost you get more features. I particularly like the safe banking with Kaspersky and it is slightly cheaper than the Bitdfender which I set up for someone just last week and to be honest the GUI's are similar but I prefer the Kaspersky.
I find the new configuration set up for the new (2014) Kaspersky takes bit of getting used to but am quite happy with it now - if you get stuck and choose Kaspersky.

ICit2lol you're experienced with Kaspersky and I'm new to it, so I have a question:

When I ran Kaspersky for the 1st time a few days ago, it scanned over 180,000 files.
But NOW if I run the FULL scan manually (not the quick scan), it only scans anywhere from 6 - 9000 files.
Is that normal for Kaspersky? Am I missing something here?
I know the "Quick Scan" runs about 6-7000 on my computer, but the Full Scan?
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31 Dec 2013   #707
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dallas 7 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ICit2lol View Post
Yep well it is just broken down into sections and section 2 is the real time scanners.
Having said that I think you are doing the best thing because as someone else mentioned and I did too that for the small cost you get more features. I particularly like the safe banking with Kaspersky and it is slightly cheaper than the Bitdfender which I set up for someone just last week and to be honest the GUI's are similar but I prefer the Kaspersky.
I find the new configuration set up for the new (2014) Kaspersky takes bit of getting used to but am quite happy with it now - if you get stuck and choose Kaspersky.

ICit2lol you're experienced with Kaspersky and I'm new to it, so I have a question:

When I ran Kaspersky for the 1st time a few days ago, it scanned over 180,000 files.
But NOW if I run the FULL scan manually (not the quick scan), it only scans anywhere from 6 - 9000 files.
Is that normal for Kaspersky? Am I missing something here?
I know the "Quick Scan" runs about 6-7000 on my computer, but the Full Scan?
Well lets put it like this it really does depend on how you set the heuristics scan levels in the GUI - like I said I always set mine to the highest level as I am pretty paranoid for want of a better way of putting it and I always find the first scan (full) goes through every single part of whatever you have loaded and does take longer to complete.
I shall endeavour to find out why the scan time is shorter as mine is just the same on my five machines.
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31 Dec 2013   #708
Britton30
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

It may be because of a feature Norton has wherein if a scanned file is found to be trusted or non malicious it will skip it on subsequent scans.
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31 Dec 2013   #709
zapp22

Windows XP Pro SP3, Windows 7 Pro 32-bit, Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit, Windows XP Home SP3
 
 

that's a worthy question. the qualitative part, I have no criteria other than this: if one takes the hint that the webshield gives, and avoids bullying ahead to the website, no harm done. in many cases, the 'shield identifies a Trojan or other miscreant indicated for the website and blocks a specific link embedded on the page. Can you name me any other conventional/competing "a/v" package that does this? I cannot. Chrome does that, using different techniques and my non-scientific observation is that it will encounter fewer "hits".
These features, to me, are the good ones. merely scanning on-demand or after-the-fact are remedial measures and there are a lot of tools for remediation if one finds it interesting.
I'm more interested in Defense.

all that goodness aside, Team AVAST have lost credibility by downgrading their user experience to the spamomatic category

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by UsernameIssues View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by zapp22 View Post
i'm amazed mcafee is still considered a company. their founder is a certified homicidal sociopath.
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I'm no fan of McAfee's product line, but the founder resigned from the company in 1994 and Intel has owned the company since 2011.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by zapp22 View Post
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the one thing AVAST did very well was "defense" in look-ahead link threat assessment.
~~~
What criteria did you use to determine that this was done well?
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31 Dec 2013   #710
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Britton30 View Post
It may be because of a feature Norton has wherein if a scanned file is found to be trusted or non malicious it will skip it on subsequent scans.
Yes I think you are right mate I was sort of assuming that myself but thought I had better check.
For example I took that the OS in general would have been scanned at least but on refection got to thinking that as malware can infect anything at any time I would make sure to be sure.
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