7 Pricing too high say Dell

[Genjinaro]

Unfortunately , the whole interview doesn't seem to be on that link.

I believe the point Darrell Ward was making is that Dell ( and the other oem's ) need to hit certain retail price points for their products.

You can be sure they have done plenty of research to establish the prices customers will stomach.

They try to reduce the prices of the parts they buy in - by as little as a cent ( they need millions of parts).

An increase in the cost of the o/s - by only a few dollars - means cutomers will get lower spec. machines at those price points.

A greater proportion goes to microsoft - a smaller proportion to the hardware.

Unless, of course, there is a change to the o/s price currently proposed.

My thoughts exactly...

 

[Lordbob75]

Fight back at MS and watch them back down!

You know that that probably wont happen right?

Though it would be nice........

~Lordbob

 

[Jon55]

Too much.

This is definitely M$'s downfall.

Can I borrow your time machine so I can see how Windows 7 is "going to cost too much" and see Microsoft's downfall?

Seriously, enough with the sensationalist BS. The sky is not falling. Microsoft will not have a downfall due to a mysterious price that nobody knows yet.

 

[Lordbob75]

Can I borrow your time machine so I can see how Windows 7 is "going to cost too much" and see Microsoft's downfall?

Seriously, enough with the sensationalist BS. The sky is not falling. Microsoft will not have a downfall due to a mysterious price that nobody knows yet.

Hmmm..... well allow me to rephase my statement.....

What I meant by downfall is that it was their flaw. They know they are the leading market share (around 90% i think) and so set their prices to whatever they want. In my opinion, it is too much. I do not believe, however, that it will break the company. I love their OSs, not so much office, but I do like their products. I just think that they are overpricing in their reign. I myself moved over to OpenOffice.org - The Free and Open Productivity Suite, the free alternative to M$ office, because of their pricing on it.

~Lordbob

 

[PhreePhly]

Hmmm..... well allow me to rephase my statement.....

What I meant by downfall is that it was their flaw. They know they are the leading market share (around 90% i think) and so set their prices to whatever they want. In my opinion, it is too much. I do not believe, however, that it will break the company. I love their OSs, not so much office, but I do like their products. I just think that they are overpricing in their reign. I myself moved over to OpenOffice.org - The Free and Open Productivity Suite, the free alternative to M$ office, because of their pricing on it.

~Lordbob

You're kidding right? MS Office 2007 Home and Student 3-License Pack for $90.00 is too much? see Newegg.com - Microsoft Office Home and Student 2007 Licensed for 3 PCs - Business & Finance

I'm stil trying to figure out how you decide that the OS pricing is too high? You don't know what it will be, all we have is a rant by Dell (who never pays what we pay for the OS, they are probably getting the cheapest price by far for OEM copies).

I think it was Jimbo who commented that the vast majority of users get their OS from the system when they buy a new computer. Very few folks go and buy an OS to upgrade anymore. That ended with Win 95. You stated above, or on another thread, a price you would be willing to pay. What was that price and why that amount? I'm not trying to be a dick, really, I am genuinely curious.

I've come up with a high price of about $250-$300 for Pro for me. I'm not interested in Ultimate, so Pro will be my version to purchase. I expect to run Win 7 for the next 3 years of so. I will operate my PC everyday, or pretty close to that for those three years. That's $85 -$100 a year for the core software to make my PC run. I pay that almost monthly for my DirectV hookup, and half that monthly for my internet.

PhreePhly

 

[Lordbob75]

You're kidding right? MS Office 2007 Home and Student 3-License Pack for $90.00 is too much? see Newegg.com - Microsoft Office Home and Student 2007 Licensed for 3 PCs - Business & Finance

I'm stil trying to figure out how you decide that the OS pricing is too high? You don't know what it will be, all we have is a rant by Dell (who never pays what we pay for the OS, they are probably getting the cheapest price by far for OEM copies).

I think it was Jimbo who commented that the vast majority of users get their OS from the system when they buy a new computer. Very few folks go and buy an OS to upgrade anymore. That ended with Win 95. You stated above, or on another thread, a price you would be willing to pay. What was that price and why that amount? I'm not trying to be a dick, really, I am genuinely curious.

I've come up with a high price of about $250-$300 for Pro for me. I'm not interested in Ultimate, so Pro will be my version to purchase. I expect to run Win 7 for the next 3 years of so. I will operate my PC everyday, or pretty close to that for those three years. That's $85 -$100 a year for the core software to make my PC run. I pay that almost monthly for my DirectV hookup, and half that monthly for my internet.

PhreePhly

Well, you bring up a great point.
Allow me to elaborate on my position, such as it is currently:
1. I am a student in High School
2. I do not currently have a job
3. My parents are not rich and do not pay for ANYTHING I want, except and allowance of $10 a week. (I would have to pay for everything if I wanted a car, which is why I don't have one)

For me, in my current situation, the OS costs A LOT. For a working adult, it is affordable, perhaps. I will admit that my statement was not fully thought through or researched, and for that I apologize.
The prices are reasonable, just seem like a lot to pay up front. Fully thought through, they are not so bad.

~Lordbob

 

[PhreePhly]

Well, you bring up a great point.
Allow me to elaborate on my position, such as it is currently:
1. I am a student in High School
2. I do not currently have a job
3. My parents are not rich and do not pay for ANYTHING I want, except and allowance of $10 a week. (I would have to pay for everything if I wanted a car, which is why I don't have one)

For me, in my current situation, the OS costs A LOT. For a working adult, it is affordable, perhaps. I will admit that my statement was not fully thought through or researched, and for that I apologize.
The prices are reasonable, just seem like a lot to pay up front. Fully thought through, they are not so bad.

~Lordbob

Cool, and I see your point, thank you. Being an enthusiast sucks, because you always want the newest. Definitely look at the OEM and Upgrade versions, as they will save you some cash.

Also, try to get on to that free technet deal going around.

PhreePhly

 

[driecken]

As if people did not have enough reasons to rip media and upload it, the higher pricing will just drive the amount of illegal copying and sharing of the OS even higher I would imagine.

Considering people that may have bought MS products in the past are ready to go an alternate route, when realizing the pricing hike.

I am not condoning pirating here, just stating a pretty reasonable argument.

I think MS is in a tough position, they spend a lot of money developing the software, the prices have to be set to maintain a certain level of profit, and at the same time fill other dues like employment cost, keeping the lights running , and computers buzzing, production costs, shipping/distribution , advertising...

I see so many MS commercials these days about "im a pc" and ads to compete head on with Apple, I think they spend too much on marketing and not enough on other areas.

 

[Lordbob75]

Cool, and I see your point, thank you. Being an enthusiast sucks, because you always want the newest. Definitely look at the OEM and Upgrade versions, as they will save you some cash.

Also, try to get on to that free technet deal going around.

PhreePhly

Already did, hopefully I can get a Seven Ult license!

And I plan on looking into it. I want to try and get my boss to upgrade to Seven when I comes out (and she will probably listen )

~Lordbob

 

[tw33k]

I want to try and get my boss to upgrade to Seven when I comes out (and she will probably listen )

~Lordbob

2. I do not currently have a job...
3. My parents are not rich and do not pay for ANYTHING I want, except and allowance of $10 a week. (I would have to pay for everything if I wanted a car, which is why I don't have one)

For me, in my current situation, the OS costs A LOT. For a working adult, it is affordable, perhaps. I will admit that my statement was not fully thought through or researched, and for that I apologize.
The prices are reasonable, just seem like a lot to pay up front. Fully thought through, they are not so bad.

~Lordbob

if you don't have a job then how is it that you have a boss?

 

[tw33k]

And this is interesting...

Gizmodo - Rumor: Windows 7 Will Be Priced In June, More Expensive Than Vista - Windows 7 prices

 

[DrWho]

I too was wondering how a teen with no job has a boss. :sarc:
But then, there's always MOM!
When MOM fires you, you're really in deep Doo Doo!

But, for many years I've helped (mentored) teens who are interested in learning more about PC's. Most became truck drivers.:huh:
One is currently a manager of a copy center.
PC's can be real interesting, but they usually don't generate a lot of money (income).

Every version of Win-7, right up to the one that appears on store shelves will be FREE, like the RC1 version I'm now running. So I see no reason to be worried about how much the Retail version will cost. Not for a year anyway.

But the biggest contributor to software pirating is MS themselves, when they price their software above the ability of the average person to buy it.
If it were priced low enough for the average person to afford it, like $30 to $50, piracy would soon just fade away. There would be no need for it.

I once heard a quote from a guy in "Serbia" who said, "we don't buy no stinkin' software"! Unfortunately, for MS and a few other companies, that is also the thoughts of many people around the world.

But, if you think an MS OS is expensive, go to a store and price "Quick Books". Take a crying towel with you.
Many small businesses need that kind of software, but just can't afford it.

So as for how much Win-7 will cost?...... who knows and who really cares?
It will be more than a lot of people can afford and the hacked versions will be flying around the world faster than TWA or Lufthansa.

It will probably get REAL interesting.:sarc:

Doc

 

[kavanagh]

If the price is too high, then we the beta testers, may think twice before moving to the real OS. However, it may be worth the extra cost for a gauranteed OS that may be the best. I think microsoft should lower the cost in order to gain extra money from more OS bought throughout the world........

 

[petrossa]

So as for how much Win-7 will cost?...... who knows and who really cares?
It will be more than a lot of people can afford and the hacked versions will be flying around the world faster than TWA or Lufthansa.

It will probably get REAL interesting.:sarc:

Doc

Furthermore, why should you want windows 7 in the first place? Talking about a hype. This is the greatest marketing stunt ever. You just repackage vista, incorporate the sp2 already on the shelves, add some more eyecandy and for next to nothing you have a product only used once by an old grandmother you can sell for more then you charged for the original.

Hats off to MS, impressive marketing talent.

 

[copernicus]

I love seeing piracy justification breaking down to "it costs too much" logic.

 

[petrossa]

yes me too. It's so logic it speaks for itself. That's the good thing about reality, it is so simple.

 

[Lordbob75]

if you don't have a job then how is it that you have a boss?

................................................................ D'oh.

Well, it is an interesting situation. I am supposed to be teaching music, but I have no students, and thus no pay. It has been this way for about 3 months. I guess I still had a job, so it still counts.... My mistake. She has me doing tech stuff now, and I start tomorrow (and get paid this time!) so I can "Officially" say I have a job (that pays....)

My parents keep laughing at me for working for no pay, and they kept saying I had no job...... Yeah, so my mistake. Sorry. Lol.

~Lordbob

 

[Dinesh]

Dell sells cheapest computers and if Windows 7 prices rises, Dell will try to earn money by increasing the cost of annual computer warranties.

 

[TomW]

It should be completely free for us that used Vista for over a year! I mean, Vista was nothing, if not the beta for Win 7!

During the first RTM release of Vista, I asked MS for the directions to dual-boot XP after finding half my software incompatible... they directed me to women in China that couldn't understand English! At least they seemed to be Chinese... names were, etc. But the fact was, they couldn't understand what I was saying and it took me several emails to find this out.
When I complained and asked for someone that could understand English, (this after about 4 months!), I said I was so angry I was going to sue them. Of course I wasn't, (David and Goliath ring a bell?), but they gave me an english speaking guy that not only had me going in the first email he answered, but also sent me Vista Ultimate 32 (I had purchased Vista Ultimate 32 bit) and x64 as well as a copy of XP Pro do it all with. I mean, brand new copies of all 3 OS's.

This all made me think that perhaps, since I told him I'd saved all the correspondence with the Chinese ladies, he actually was concerned that I'd get an attorney into the mix!

And now they're charging through the nose for Windows 7?!?! Unacceptable. Simply unacceptable, considering the fact that I was a beta tester for the OS!!

But anyway... what ya gonna do?

 

[Genjinaro]

I change my earlier view, I have no more complaints about the mystery price.

M$'s screw-up or generous favor with TechNet gives me little to complain about.
Got all the Software I'll ever need & glad I got it before the lockdown...