Modern Warfare 2 and Windows 7

[cloud8521]

Steam is a different type of DRM. It tries to verify every time the game is run that its legal or unmodified.
I myself have to say it has gotten "A LOT" better then when it was first launched, and makes things a little easier for people like me that travel and like to play a game or two on my down time.

Hearing that it took about a week that mods and other hacks appearing for MW2, it doesn't seem like that Steam is trying too hard preventing game modifications. On the other hand it doesn't stop Steam to create problems for legitimate end users who had purchased the game in question...

its not steams job to fix the game. its not their game, they are not allowed to do much

 

[hanksta2]

1) Out of all my friends who own MW2, none of them have had anything but good things to say about the multiplayer.

2) Steam is amazing. I've been using it for over three years, and frankly, I have no interest in buying games that do NOT run through steam. I don't have any more cases and CDs piling up, I can lose manuals, etc...and no matter what, I always have my games available. After every install of Windows, it's a piece of cake to get my games reinstalled. In all my time playing games on steam, I have encountered cheaters less than 5 times...at which point it was easy to report the cheater and simply move on to another server.

 

[AstaLaVista]

I take it your sound, video and monitor drivers are up to date?

Please don't say yes for the sake of saying yes. If they are, post the version of the drivers... just to make me feel better

You were right Astala...

It was the video driver for my X1950XTX card. I didn't realize that the latest ATI drivers are not supported for this video card. Once the latest driver was removed, registry leftovers cleaned out, and the legacy ATI drivers installed, the strange characters turned in to regular fonts.

The way it came about is that IW did respond to ticket that was opened for this issue yesterday and the tech suggested that the issue is the video card driver. I almost responded to him that he's full of it, but decided to follow the links he sent. Low and behold, it's all good. It would've been better listening to you caople of days ego, but it's all good now; thanks...

Well, I am just glad you were able to get it going. You'd be surprise the amount of heartaches and headaches a corrupt, obsolete or wrong driver can cause... it can wreck some serious havoc.

Now, This is some funny stuff, I mean, I have seen a few MP hacks but this one definately takes the cake... :roflmao:

 

[Cr00zng]

Hearing that it took about a week that mods and other hacks appearing for MW2, it doesn't seem like that Steam is trying too hard preventing game modifications. On the other hand it doesn't stop Steam to create problems for legitimate end users who had purchased the game in question...

its not steams job to fix the game. its not their game, they are not allowed to do much

You would think so, at least until you look at their web site, quote from this link:

Anti-cheat

With true cheat detection, keep cheaters from ruining it for the rest of us. Extend the life and sales of your game by making sure that the game plays as you intended it to when you shipped.

And in case you still wonder, here's another quote from this link:

Steamworks' anti-piracy suite combines three approaches to anti-piracy: (1) Custom Executable Generation, (2) Retail Encryption, and (3) Valuable Platform-Dependant Features. These work together to provide a seamless end-user experience, protecting your game and giving real value to customers.

It seems to me that it is exactly what Steam advertises to do, "making sure that the game plays as intended to when it's shipped". You may think that they've been doing an excellent job preventing cheats, mods, and privacy; I just happen to disagree with that they do...

 

[Cr00zng]

Well, I am just glad you were able to get it going. You'd be surprise the amount of heartaches and headaches a corrupt, obsolete or wrong driver can cause... it can wreck some serious havoc.

Now, This is some funny stuff, I mean, I have seen a few MP hacks but this one definately takes the cake... :roflmao:

That was funny, thanks for the video....

 

[Warfare]

The game is completely unplayable because it is set up like xbox live.

That my friend is an opinion

I have personally witnessed people calling in the AC 130 regardless of how few kills they had. Someone called in an AC 130 5 seconds after the match began with 0 kills once and just stayed in the air shooting the entire time.

He could have picked up someones care package.. I would like a recording of that...

And if all of that within the first week of release does not deter you from wanting to spend the cash then host migration or should I say the lack there of should. 9 times out of 10 if the host leaves host migration does not function as intended and you end up dropping from the match. Or the game will randomly just dump you or crash with an error.

Trust me, I play this game... Host Migration works well, not perfect but well. I have yet to be dropped from a game during this time.
Do you have sources on those numbers? Have you even played MW2 when I host migrates

 

[archie123]

Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare works on Windows 7 so this should as well.

The more important question is whether you want to spend $60 on basically a single-player game as there will be no dedicated servers for multiplayer.

Ding, Ding, Winner!



Activision and Infinity Ward are screwing PC users with this title - basically selling us a glorified console game with mouse support...and charging us more than we have ever paid before.

No dedicated servers not only means higher latency for folks who aren't the host, it also means:


1) No more community for thousands of clans. My Clan has had our own servers for nearly a decade and that is where we play. We have over 150 members (in half a dozen countries) and hundreds of regulars. We all know where we can go to play together - on our own servers...but not with MW2. There are no server lists...and certainly no support for you hosting a dedicated 24x7 server.

2) No more control over cheaters. We can no longer admin/rcon with MW2. Have an obvious cheater that the anti-cheat system doesn't detect? (which is pretty much always the case) Tough. Someone under the map or exploiting a glitch? Too bad. Someone bought cheats/hacks from one of the many groups that sells cheats undetectable by server monitoring software? So what...we have your 60 bucks...and if you don't like a game full of cheaters, move on and give us 60 more bucks for our next title.

3) No more control over idiots. Have standards where you don't allow profanity, abuse, or harassment on your servers? Tough. In my Clan, we ask such folks to behave, but we also have the right to remove them if they will not. Welcome to the new world...which is a day care center full of 12 year-olds shouting profanity, team shooting, team bashing, intentionally blocking doors, etc. In fact, the IW.Net algorithm will most likely continue to put you in game with them if they live near you.

4) No more mods and no more custom maps...unless IW provides them. Mods and custom maps are the lifeblood of games with staying power. It's why my clan still has active COD2 servers...and why they are full. Forget it here. They don't want longevity...just a quick hit of sales...and then push you to the next title.

5) No more console config for non-cheat params. Have an oddly shaped monitor and want to adjust FOV? Guess what? IW says p** up a rope.

6) Like to lean? Forget it. Let's go lowest common denominator and remove a capability that has been in pretty much every FPS for a decade...including all CoD titles.

7) Like fluid gameplay? Well sure...oh, unless the "host" player has a blip on their ISP...and then we are all screwed...just as we are when they disconnect and IW.Net has to stop the game, determine who should host next, and then move the server to that player. Having fun in that firefight? No worries...play will resume in five or ten seconds. Please just hang in the middle of your mid-air jump until then. Also, let's see how ISPs like this one. Many have prohibitions against hosting game servers on your account. I never have before, because we outsource our hosting to gameservers.com. Not any more. Sorry verizon.


We need to take a stand. Others are watching. Even John Carmack, father of Quake/Id, is saying that he is waiting to see what happens...and may do the same with Rage.

Vote with your wallets. Bad Company 2 is coming soon...and it WILL support dedicated servers. Play COD4 and WaW a little longer (as well as the new BF2 mod) and wait for BC2.

$0.02

you obviously aint played the game..............I can tell you now its fantastic and IW Net is nothing like it was feared to be

and as for bad company 2 , they are just using this as a marketing opportunity to lead us to beleive they are supporting PC players , they love us so much we must have just slipped their minds when they brought out the original bad company......i hope to god its better than the bug fest that was BF2 when it first came out , and continues to be till this day

dont be fooled by clever marketing their all just out to take our cash , they could'nt care less abour PC players anymore , too many pirate's out there. and i can bet you now BC2 will be another console port.........with dedicated server files to make us think they "care"

 

[Joker7]

Cod4 and modern warfare 2 both work with windows 7 fine

 

[WDAexodus]

Does anyone know why they bundle crap now with pc games? Steam, drm, installers that break if one small thing is out of line?

Steam is IMO one of the most reliable programs, If it goes down its back up in seconds. I have yet to see it down longer than 20 mins..

I have been using steam for ~4 years. Also, Steam is NOTHING like DRM.

You must not have been playing a couple days ago when steam went down for hours and the IW forums were being overloaded with pissed off PC users.

I agree that the game itself is really good. Probably the best COD release to date in terms of gameplay, perks, and lack of bugs. IWnet is a major failure. I loved the comments that IW's management including fourzerotwo who says that hackers will be non-existant with the use of VAC. Fail. I think I was on for 2 minutes when I experienced my first hacker encounter. VAC is more hackable then punkbuster. At least with punkbuster there was functionality with it. VAC is useless. I too have experienced the party problems and have had many host drop offs and pauses to resolve a new one. Looks like they concentrated on the game but failed in getting the integration of IWnet/Steam working. Bring on the dedi servers, please.

As far as what this forum is really for: Windows 7 runs this flawlessly. I have had no problems at all. If you have WaW you will experience about a 10 FPS increase with MW2. It runs about the same as COD 4. You can't ALT-Tab while in a match but you can while waiting for a match. There's also various AV softwares that call false-positives on various steam .tmp files. I run Avira and it calls them regularly. Hopefully they will come out with a fix for that.

 

[hanksta2]

Just because someone pwned you...it doesn't make them a hacker!

 

[WDAexodus]

Trust me they were hacking. Either that or his 25-0 kills that were all headshots coming through wall after wall were well placed skill shots. Take your pick.

 

[sotorious]

yea they got plenty of hacks out there now. i guess its people that love to hack and the people that are trying to prove a point to IW.

 

[Warfare]

You must not have been playing a couple days ago when steam went down for hours and the IW forums were being overloaded with pissed off PC users.

Oh, Please don't exaggerate the time.. It was about 20mins and STEAM didn't go down.. IWNET went down.

 

[Static]

I have the feint feeling that Hanksta2 must work for IW. Besides a few people who are flirting on the line and saying equal parts good/bad, no one really has anything good to say about the new IW.net system.

In fact for every 1-2 who are "meh" about it, there is another who agrees with us that this is one of the worst ideas/systems implemented in the COD series.

 

[WDAexodus]

You must not have been playing a couple days ago when steam went down for hours and the IW forums were being overloaded with pissed off PC users.

Oh, Please don't exaggerate the time.. It was about 20mins and STEAM didn't go down.. IWNET went down.

I don't know about you but me and my clan mates coudn't sign on for about 2 hours and it was due to steam saying it couldn't connect. So I'm not exaggerating anything. Cheers.

 

[WDAexodus]

I have the feint feeling that Hanksta2 must work for IW. Besides a few people who are flirting on the line and saying equal parts good/bad, no one really has anything good to say about the new IW.net system.

In fact for every 1-2 who are "meh" about it, there is another who agrees with us that this is one of the worst ideas/systems implemented in the COD series.

What's funny to me is how IW says that it is going to revolutionize PC gaming. I haven't been impressed at all.

 

[cloud8521]

the thing about P2P games is they usually need tweaking to get running after release. so slowly it may bet better, hickups may come from the patches such as the virus that turned out to be a false negative, and slowdowns. its really just best to keep relying problems and looking to see if it gets any better as the game patched to fix the p2p errors after patches apply. lol dedicated servers would ot need this treatment tho

 

[Static]

UPDATE :

I actually got to play MW2 today. My friends have an apartment together and one was at work so we decided to duo tag team some people.

1. IWnet wouldnt let either of us on for 20minutes.

2. For the following 20min only one of us could get on and the other would crash.

3. NO LEANING. I have to reiterate this. What a terrible terrible idea to remove this. Why? Just why? It's been a staple of every game for so very long.

4. Any time host swapped, someone dropped from the game. More often than not it was me, whether that was luck or not. But either way. Terrible.

5. Gameplay is running around grenade launching and sprinting thru hallways with full automatics. We played Hardcore, search and Destroy, Team Deathmatch, the works. Nothing changed. No tactics. No realism. just spray n pray.

6. I WILL say. The gameplay was smoothe. For what it's worth, I never lagged and all in all the game ran smoothe and fluent. I will ALSO say, I could tell EVERY MAP which person was the host. Especially if he is somewhat competent. It is such a big advantage.

7. NO LEANING. Their reasoning? "We couldn't balance leaning with some of the single player maps, so it was removed." How stupid do you have to... never mind.

8. Single player took us, in co-op, 3 hours to beat. Start to finish. Are you serious?

9. lol Pistols are accurate at like 200 yards while running.


Either way. I joined in the first game with an M4A1, red dot sight and silencer. And I sort of just hugged corners and the map edge and found my way to 28-5 the first time I played the game (haha harriers and helicopters are ridiculous OP). Some snowy easy open map. It was stupid how bad some people are. Although the next map was some like afghani city and I got slaughtered in the maze and went like 5-10.

The game is decent. There's no arguing that. They just really butchered a game that could have set records, precedents, and pioneered the way for the rest of other games. They handicapped themselves.

 

[Corpsecrank]

What is with people defending IW and this game?

I think it's crap. Not because there is nothing good about it because it does have some good things about it. But it is not a good game because the P2P system is trash and opens the doors to every cheat ever known to the FPS world all at once.

The game only feels smooth because everyone else is lagging as bad as you are and they throttle the game to meet the speed of the slowest players. Basically what you have is a solid 100ms ping game that gives the illusion of a 30ms ping game. If you adjust your config to display more bars on the bing graph and then adjust how many ms the bars represent to 20 the graph will scale from 0-200ms each bar representing 20ms so you can get an accurate ping reading using the bars. What you will see is going to make you sick really. One game the host was using a program to throttle his upload to 10kb/s so that everyone had severe lag while he himself had none. You would get shot before you could see him and the game still felt like it was running fine and dandy with no lag yeah right no lag lol. This game is nothing but lag.

IW did a great job by removing the numerical ping display in favor of a VERY inaccurate bar graph that was intentionally set to show you a pretty picture of what is not actually happening. They did a lot to make you think your not lagging when in fact this is the laggiest FPS game on the market.

Enough about lag though. The downsides to this game far outweigh any positives and that is the problem. That is what makes this a bad game.

I don't expect anyone without serious competitive experience in PC FPS games to understand why this game is a complete disaster but it is that much I can assure you of. I would not recommend you buy this for the PC.

Now if you want to talk about the 360 version then sure it is a great game probably one of the best this year. But the game was designed to run on the 360 and ported to all the other platforms I expect it to run the way it was intended on a 360 and if you wanted to buy the game for 360 I would say go for it. The match making and ping match what you would expect on a 360 where as they do not on the PC version.

 

[Static]

^ What he said.