UEFI Install of Windows 7 Pro

Here we go! Thanks for the Description Megahertz07!
 

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Windows 7 Home Premium 64bitAMD A8-3520M6.00GB DDR3 @ 674MHz (9-9-9-24)512MB ATI AMD Radeon HD 6620G
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Laptop
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HP Pavilion dv7-6c23cl
OS
Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
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AMD A8-3520M
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Hewlett-Packard 180B (Socket FS1)
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6.00GB DDR3 @ 674MHz (9-9-9-24)
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512MB ATI AMD Radeon HD 6620G
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IDT High Definition Audio CODEC
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What is on Disk 0 now ?

Windows 7 Pro installed in Legacy mode on a MBR drive ?

That`s what it looks like.

If so just steal some space from C to create another partition for W10, I`d make it a Primary partition.

Use Partition Wizard free to create it. Post another shot of Disk Management after you`ve done that.

Best Free Partition Manager for Windows | MiniTool Partition Free
 

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Windows 7 Pro installed in Legacy mode on a MBR drive ?
Yes, that is what it is, I will do this soon.

I wonder if I should do as Megahertz07 said and put W10 at the end of the drive? The only disadvantage might be Installing Linux in a Triple Boot later and keep all storage at the end?

Thanks, Nasty7
 

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Windows 7 Home Premium 64bitAMD A8-3520M6.00GB DDR3 @ 674MHz (9-9-9-24)512MB ATI AMD Radeon HD 6620G
Computer type
Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
HP Pavilion dv7-6c23cl
OS
Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
CPU
AMD A8-3520M
Motherboard
Hewlett-Packard 180B (Socket FS1)
Memory
6.00GB DDR3 @ 674MHz (9-9-9-24)
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512MB ATI AMD Radeon HD 6620G
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IDT High Definition Audio CODEC
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Generic PnP Monitor
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Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD
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You said you may erase Win 10, so to put Win 10 at the end will make it easy as you'll be adding the space to the data partition.
If you put Win 10 after Win 7, if you erase Win 10 the space will be added to Win 7, and will be useless.
 

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    Windows 7 HP 64i5 6600K - 800MHz to 4200MHz4+4G GSkill DDR4 3000IG - Intel 530
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
    custom build
    OS
    Windows 7 HP 64
    CPU
    i5 6600K - 800MHz to 4200MHz
    Motherboard
    GA-Z170-HD3P
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    4+4G GSkill DDR4 3000
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    IG - Intel 530
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    Samsung 226BW
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    (1) -1 SM951 – 128GB M.2 AHCI PCIe SSD drive for Windows 7 and Lubuntu
    (2) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for Data
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    Logitech mX performance - 9 buttons (had to disable some)
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    Windows 7 Proi7-4500U 800MHz to 3.0GHz(4+4)G DDR3 1600IG intel 4400 + NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M
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    Asus Q550LF
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    Windows 7 Pro
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    Asus Q550LF
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    (4+4)G DDR3 1600
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    LG Display LP156WF4-SPH1
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    BX500 120G SSD for Windows and programs +
    1T HDD for data
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    500 Mb/s
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    Firefox
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    TinyWall firewall
Back at it!

- Open disk management.
- Shrink the Win 7 right side partition. Leave 85G for Win 7
- On the un allocated right partition, make two more partition. A big one and a 120 G at the right. Format them as NTFS
- From left to right
- (MS reserved - 120M) + (Win 7 - 85G) + (Data - Big NTFS) + Win 10 - 120G)
- Boot from Win 10 and install it at the last partition = 120G

I really want to follow through with this great advice from Megahertz soon, if not immediately. I think this is very well lay'ed out, and will use MiniTool Partition Editor to do it.

I am wondering, am I going to run into any Permission Issues when sharing a Partition with Windows 10? Which is not a big problem, but just want to get an idea. In fact, Linux may go here (To the last Partition), don't know yet. I won't worry about permission issue with Linux, I keep most my files on USB's.

Also wondering if there will be any issues with Windows 10 Major Updates, while using only One Partition for it instead of the traditional Two? Won't Windows Ten try to add/create another partition during a Major Update?

I want to get this done mostly for getting some files onto this new Storage Partition, lot's of iso's in particular. The reason for this in my head, is to make it easier to Image my Windows 7 OS, am I thinking correctly here?

Thanks guys, no hurry, Nasty7
 

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HP Pavilion dv7-6c23cl
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Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
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AMD A8-3520M
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Hewlett-Packard 180B (Socket FS1)
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6.00GB DDR3 @ 674MHz (9-9-9-24)
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512MB ATI AMD Radeon HD 6620G
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IDT High Definition Audio CODEC
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Generic PnP Monitor
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Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD
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Logitec M525
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Avast Free, Unfortunately
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Another thing you need to take into consideration is that w7 has no support for native 4KB partitioning for disks, and that only means that your HDD will be running in 512 byte sectors logical with 4096 byte sector physical (512e "emulated") and that's not the best for performance in these days HDDs. for SSDs it is 512 byte logical/physical so no problem. If w10 didn't have those "report to microsoft featues" built-in and windows 8 had a better desktop experience I would recommend you that. But those OSs are still better than w7 from a pure performance point of view (they will also have a lower ram footprint).
 

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Another thing you need to take into consideration is that w7 has no support for native 4KB partitioning for disks, and that only means that your HDD will be running in 512 byte sectors logical with 4096 byte sector physical (512e "emulated") and that's not the best for performance in these days HDDs. for SSDs it is 512 byte logical/physical so no problem. If w10 didn't have those "report to microsoft featues" built-in and windows 8 had a better desktop experience I would recommend you that. But those OSs are still better than w7 from a pure performance point of view (they will also have a lower ram footprint).
Well that's interesting, I'll need to take a good look at this asap!

I'm certain I have a newer Drive as I just bought it from Bestbuy, and they normally only carry the newer ones in Store...I checked. Not on that pc right now so will check this later.

Basically you are saying, Windows 7 will not out perform W8-W10 either way. And that W8 and W10 will utilize these newer drives better due to the 4KB ability to add to that?

Will Windows 7 run better/faster on an older drive, SATA-III, or is it that it just won't run as fast as W8 and W10 on the newer Drives?

This won't affect a Dual Boot will it?
Suppose I install Windows 8 or 10 in dual boot with my now windows 7, will it still be able to take advantage of the 4KB Partitioning on those new partions?
I am considering a Dual Boot, and don't mind Windows 8, but I do help others with computers, and most these days are using Windows 10, so would be smartest for me to install W10. My pc came with Windows 8.1, so if it wasn't for supporting others I would just install that.

Hope that wasn't too many questions.
 

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Windows 7 Home Premium 64bitAMD A8-3520M6.00GB DDR3 @ 674MHz (9-9-9-24)512MB ATI AMD Radeon HD 6620G
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Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
HP Pavilion dv7-6c23cl
OS
Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
CPU
AMD A8-3520M
Motherboard
Hewlett-Packard 180B (Socket FS1)
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6.00GB DDR3 @ 674MHz (9-9-9-24)
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512MB ATI AMD Radeon HD 6620G
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IDT High Definition Audio CODEC
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Generic PnP Monitor
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(1600x900@60Hz)
Hard Drives
Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD
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Logitec M525
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30-75Mbps
Antivirus
Avast Free, Unfortunately
Browser
Google Chrome, Firefox, IE
Basically you are saying, Windows 7 will not out perform W8-W10 either way. And that W8 and W10 will utilize these newer drives better due to the 4KB ability to add to that?
No, that's not necessarily true. Although Win8/10 support native 4KB sector sizes while Win7 does not, that is irrelevant if your partition is properly aligned.

When you format a NTFS partition the default storage allocation unit (aka, "cluster") size is 4KB (eight 512-byte or 512e sectors). The file system (NTFS) reads and writes whole clusters at a time. That means NTFS partitions are never reading or writing chunks of less than 4KB at a time, anyway. Even if what you want to write to disk is less than the size of one 512-byte sector, it will always write a full 4KB cluster. There is no difference in performance vs. writing one 4KB native sector (4Kn).

The key is to make sure your partitions are aligned--which diskpart in Win7 and later do by default anyway. If the partition boundaries are not properly aligned, you run the risk that the 4KB cluster the file system wants to write may span two physical 4Kn sectors on an Advanced Format drive, and that will result in a performance hit. That's true regardless of OS.
 

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WD Red Plus 80EFBX (8TB)
I don't have benchmarks to show off.

But HDD vendors say 4kb native is more efficient or as a matter or fact any type of native formatting... that is, if your drive is native 512, that's what it is best for. https://www.seagate.com/tech-insights/advanced-format-4k-sector-hard-drives-master-ti/

foir instance, from linux fdisk you could get something like:

Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders, total 625142448 sectors Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes


so According to that, you do loose performance based on an emulation layer carried out by the HDD firmware... now how discernable is that? maybe it is undiscernable as it is the case with most computer technologies.... most new (if not all) hdds are capable of 512e which is what w7 runs so no need to worry about that.

As for me, I'm sticking with w7 due to better desktop experience, and no default spyware that you only become aware of years after you've been running it... But if I needed performance for server I'd choose w10 with no doubt.
 

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But HDD vendors say 4kb native is more efficient or as a matter or fact any type of native formatting... that is, if your drive is native 512, that's what it is best for.
The link you've cited isn't arguing the merits of 4Kn vs. 512e, it's arguing that native 4KB sectors are better than native 512-byte sectors, as well as arguing for proper partition alignment.

I'm not disagreeing that reading/writing a 4KB physical sector on an AF drive is more efficient than reading/writing a 512-byte physical sector on a legacy drive, but that's missing the point. We're not discussing the difference between using a legacy drive vs. AF drive, we're talking only about using an AF drive, with Win7 vs. with Win8+. And there, assuming proper partition alignment, it makes no difference.

On an AF drive, it makes no difference if you're writing eight 512e sectors or one 4Kn sector--you're writing 4KB either way, and the underlying hardware is writing just once, to the same 4KB physical sector. Just because one may be using 512e, don't mistake that to mean there are eight writes. There is only one 4KB write, and the drive is writing exactly the same number of bits (including error correction and housekeeping) that it would if you were using 4Kn sectors. Indeed, the hardware can *only* write 4KB at a time; writing 512-bytes at a time is physically impossible.

It would be a different discussion if we were comparing native 512-byte sectors on a legacy drive vs. native 4KB sectors on an AF drive, but we're not. (If we were, AF wins because of more efficient overhead.) We're only talking about how to use an AF drive.

It would be different if we were talking about accessing a single block of 512 bytes from a legacy drive vs. from an AF drive, but we're not. (If we were, AF loses because it would have to read an entire 4KB sector before extracting the 512-byte piece.)

But NTFS does not access by sectors, it accesses by storage allocation units or "clusters", so 512-byte segments are never part of the equation. NTFS is always (assuming the default allocation unit size) accessing 4KB at a time, regardless of the underlying physical sector size. Whether one uses 512e or 4Kn, you're still reading a single physical sector and transferring the entire 4KB of data to the OS.

And, of course, it would be different if the partition is not properly aligned, but we've stipulated the partition must be properly aligned for the purposes of this discussion. It's more efficient if the 4KB of data the NTFS file system wants to write lines up with one 4KB physical sector instead of overlapping two sectors.
 

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Windows 7/8.1/10 multibootIntel Core i7-770048GB (2x16GB Crucial DDR4-3200 + 2x8GB Hynix ...Intel HD630 + AMD Radeon R7 450 PCIe
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Dell Optiplex 7050
OS
Windows 7/8.1/10 multiboot
CPU
Intel Core i7-7700
Motherboard
Dell, Intel Q270 chipset
Memory
48GB (2x16GB Crucial DDR4-3200 + 2x8GB Hynix DDR4-2400)
Graphics Card(s)
Intel HD630 + AMD Radeon R7 450 PCIe
Monitor(s) Displays
Asus VC279 (27")
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
Toshiba M.2 NVMe (256GB),
Samsung 960 Evo (500GB),
WD Red Plus 80EFBX (8TB)
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