Virtualization Advice Needed

nkaufman

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Hello,

With so many problems faced by family members with viruses/spyware, programs getting installed by mistake while internet browsing, by people who are not as tech savvy, I've decided to set up the laptops to use internet only via a VM. Do not need XP mode. Two different scenarios:
(A) People might share a VM since they share a laptop
I think in this case with multiple users, differencing disk seems to be the way to go.

(B) Only one person using the laptop
In this case I was wondering if just a dynamically expanding VM will be good enough.

Questions:
(1) A common question to both approaches is - Available hardware in both scenarios are HP laptops that do not have Virtual Hardware support in BIOS but have Win-7-Prof 64-bit on them. I was wondering if I could purchase and install 32-bit Win-7 as guest OS in Windows Virtual PC.
(2) For Approach (A), I can create differencing disks for different users and also have one differencing disk for myself. My plan is to use my disk for all updates/patches etc and then merge with parent disk. of course I will need to grab any required data in the user's differencing disks because my understanding is once parent disk is changed the diff disks become unusable. Does this sound like a plan?
(3)If yes to Q2, how do I merge my differencing disk with parent disk
(4) If yes to Q2, how do I get rid of the diferencing disks of other users?
(5) If yes to Q2, can differencing disk be set up with UNDO disk capability?
(6) For Approach (B), in which the machine is not going to be readily available to me and is available only when owners come and visit, I was wondering if I can train users in using regular VM with UNDO disk capability and they can undo whatever they have done in the VM in that session. But then the question arises, how to get regular updates/patches to the VM. Any suggestions?

Thanks for your assistance.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
OS
Win-7 Prof 64bit
bumping.

Any advice anyone? please!
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
OS
Win-7 Prof 64bit
I am not sure if this will help or not. I use a "sandbox" program called Toolwiz Time Freeze. It can be configured to automatically run when Windows 7 starts. It prohibits any and all changes to your computer (including any web links). When you turn off the computer all "changes" are discarded.

It also has the ability to be password protected. Meaning in your example, no one using your computers will be able to save or download anything (including PUP's, viruses, malware, etc.). You, on the other hand, will be able to turn Time Freeze off (so you can make changes, downloads, etc.) since only you know the password to turn it off. If you set it to launch with Windows, it should be almost full-proof protection, if I understand correctly your needs.

And did I mention it is free? Here is a link if you are interested:

ToolWiz Time Freeze « ToolWiz Software

Hope this helps
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
OS
Windows 7 Professional
Instead of setting up VMs by buying additional copies of Win 7, which could get expensive, use a Linux distro such as Linux Mint in the VM. Since it's just for internet browsing there will be almost no learning curve as internet browsing using a browser like Chrome or FireFox is pretty much the same whether Windows or Linux. If you use IE as the browser then you will need to install something like Wine to make IE work in the VM.

Your family would use the Linux VM when they are browsing the internet but could still use Windows 7 to play games or word process or whatever else they do.

Whatever way you go, make sure that whatever virtualization software you use supports taking a "snapshot". A snapshot saves the current configuration of the VM and will then allow you to revert the VM back to that snapshot. Similar to making a system image backup of a machine. That way, if the VM does pickup a virus or malware you can just revert back to the snapshot and be back with a fresh VM. I recommend using VirtualBox.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Home Built desktop, Dell G15 5511 Gaming laptop,MS Surface Pro 7 tablet
OS
W10 Pro desktop, W11 laptop, W11 Pro tablet (all 64-bit)
CPU
3.7Ghz 8700K i7, i7-11800H, i7-1065G7
Motherboard
ASUS TUF Z370-Pro Gaming in desktop
Memory
16G desktop, 16G laptop, 4G tablet
Graphics Card(s)
AMD Radeon RX580, RTX 3060, Intel Iris Plus
Sound Card
High Definition Audio (Built-in to mobo)
Monitor(s) Displays
Samsung U32J59 32" (2x), 15.6", 12"
Screen Resolution
3840x2160, 3840x2160, 1920x1080, 2160x1440
Hard Drives
500G SSD for OS; 2T, 10T & 15T HDDs for Data on Desktop, 1TB SSD laptop, 128G SSD tablet.
PSU
Corsair CX 750M
Case
Antec 100
Cooling
CM 212+
Keyboard
IBM Model M - used continuously since 1986
Mouse
Microsoft Pro IntelliMouse
Internet Speed
400M down 8M up
Antivirus
Windows Defender
Browser
FireFox
Other Info
Built my first computer (8Mhz 8088cpu, 640K RAM, 20MB HDD, 2 360K floppy drives) in 1985 and have been building them for myself, relatives and friends ever since.
I recently obtained a MSDN License so I can create at least 3 VMs with Win-7, so that is not an issue right now.

Am looking at Free VM - VirtualBox that does allow for snapshots.

So i need to know how difficult is it to set up differencing disks so that multiple people can have their own sandbox running off of a parent VM and if this is a recommended approach.

Thanks for your advice.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
OS
Win-7 Prof 64bit
No need to pay for the snapshots feature in a VM. My preference is vmware player.

When I create my VM's, I choose to store them in a single file, and then the vm is contained in 1 file. (Better performance too) Now, as long as system protection is enabled in windows 7, and set to 10% or higher, you will receive multiple restore points a day. Something bad happened in your VM? No problem. Right click the vm file, click restore previous versions. Or properties, restore previous versions.

Poof, vm back to whatever day you choose.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Built
OS
Windows 10 Pro
CPU
AMD Ryzen 5 2400G Processor with Radeon RX Vega 11 Graphics
Motherboard
ASRock X470 Master SLI/AC AM4 AMD Promontory X470 SATA 6Gb/s
Memory
G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM D
Graphics Card(s)
2047MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB (EVGA)
Sound Card
Motherboard Built in
Monitor(s) Displays
Acer R240HY bidx 23.8-Inch IPS HDMI DVI VGA (1920 x 1080) Wi
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080
Hard Drives
1TB Sandisk SSD PLUS (Main drive)
500 GB Seagate 7200 RPM (Games)
500 GB Western Digital 7200 RPM (Virtual Machines)
PSU
CORSAIR TX Series TX650M 650W 80+ Gold Modular Power Supply
Case
CORSAIR CARBIDE SPEC-02 Mid-Tower Gaming Case, Red LED Fan
Cooling
220mm, two 120mm, and four 60mm fans
Keyboard
Wired Dell keyboard
Mouse
Wireless Logitech mouse
Internet Speed
250mb down, 30mb up
Antivirus
Panda Cloud Antivirus
Browser
Chrome-ish x64
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Your awesome for reading this.
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