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Windows 7: SSD - Install and Transfer the Operating System

25 Jun 2012   #330
rockypaloma

Windows XP Pro x32
 
 

Thanks, Wolfgang. The included software with the Samsung 830 comes with a manual Trim function that supposedly keeps the drive optimized under XP. We'll see how functional it is. I plan to move most of my data to the HDD. Even with data I still have 72% of free space on the SSD. Nevertheless, I will heed your advice and do a Secure Erase when I notice a slowdown.

I wasn't going to get any upgrades for my old Dell clunker, but couldn't help myself when I saw the 128GB Samsung 830 on sale for $90 on Newegg. Now that I've seen what a solid state drive can do, I feel compelled to spring for a new system to do it justice.

By the way, the drag and drop feature in Macrium WinPE is top-notch. I'm really impressed with the tools that are available today.


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25 Jun 2012   #331
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

LOL, you sound like me. Whenever I see an attractive price for an SSD at NewEgg, I get one. Pretty soon I can start my own SSD shop. Now I have a couple lying around without a system. I think I will stick them into my eSata and USB3 enclosures.
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05 Jul 2012   #332
LionOfNarnia

Windows 7 Professional x64 (English)
 
 

Hello whs,

I've joined the forum to request a bit of hand-holding for a problem that's just different enough from anything I've read in the 34 pages of this thread (yeah, took me 2 days) for me to want the best advice available before trying anything that could devastate my system. Like many before me, I'm a user not an IT dude, itrw I'm an industrial engineer. I'm a gamer, browser & sometime video producer on the PC, apart from that it's my entertainment system.

So - when I bought this PC, about 18 months ago, it came with just the 1TB hitachi HD and no installed OS. Before leaving the shop I bought the 2TB WD & the 40GB Intel SSD as well as Win7 Pro. I fitted them and then installed win7 to the SSD, which became my C: drive.

Even though I put every 3rd party app etc that gives me a choice into D:/program files (x86)/... about a fortnight ago I got a warning that it was nearly full (200MB left, I think!) so I started thinking about a solution.... a bigger SSD of course!

Yes, I did my research, moved a few files out of C:/users/me...gamesaves, uninstalled a few apps that were on C that I didn't need anymore, that gave me 850MB free. The I found the link to doing the sp-1 clean-up, that gave me 4.2GB free, which will keep me afloat until I solve my real problem. I dealt with the pagefile/hibernation issues after installing the OS if I remember correctly.

I bought a 120GB ADATA SSD, which comes with Acronis HD, and a USB-Sata thingy, followed the instructions, cloned my C: to the new F:, checked that the files had all copied, no problem.

Closed down, opened the case, swapped out the drives - no boot.

OK, to stop this turning into a novel, what I've discovered since, mostly as a result of this thread and some links in it, is that it's actually my D: drive which has the 100MB system partition on it, not C: Either the drive had that 'as standard' or when windows installed it put that on the first SATA location instead of the new SSD - I think I just plugged that into the next available SATA slot, never thought it would matter

- I did actually wonder why my WEI for drive speed was only 5.9 with an SSD but never chased it up, I'm guessing that the drive speed is calculated from where the system bit is, not the SSD with the OS.

What I want to do is make the 120GB SSD the bootable OS drive & eventually turn the 'old' 40GB SSD into a drive purely for my "Skyrim" game folder.

I have EasyBCD, Partition Wizard & Paragon awaiting instructions.

Please walk me through what I need to do. I can post screenies of anything you need, I'm used to doing that.

Thanks in advance.

Aslan Freeman
(English Exile in the Netherlands)
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05 Jul 2012   #333
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

1. In your 40GB insatllation move the bootmgr to C on the SSD. Bootmgr - Move to C:\ with EasyBCD

2. Make an image of this C to one of your HDDs - not the new SSD.

3. Align the new SSD with these commands:

Diskpart
List disk

Select disk n (where n is the number that was given for your new SSD in List disk)
Clean
Create partition primary align=1024
Format fs=ntfs quick
Active
Exit

4. Restore the image of C to this partition.

Now if you want to be really finagly, you can do a Secure Erase of your new SSD before you do step #3. This is not absolutely required, but a SSD purist would do that. Guide Secure Erase With bootable CD/USB Linux.. Point and Click Method
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06 Jul 2012   #334
LionOfNarnia

Windows 7 Professional x64 (English)
 
 

Impressively quick reply It came in just as I was leaving for work so this is my first chance to comment.

I'm not an "SSD Purist", but I certainly respect the opinion of one who is, so I'll do the secure erase before anything else. I still feel the need to ask for a wee bit of clarification on other things though, for the reasons stated earlier...

In 1. This has me confused! The 40GB installation IS the SSD & has no bootmngr, do you mean move the bootmngr from the 1TB drive to the 'old' C: drive which is the 40GB SSD?

2. Can I ask the REASON for imaging to another HDD? (Rather than a straight clone to the new SSD) -Just to help my understanding What software do you recommend for the imaging? Anything to be aware of?

Can you confirm that I don't need to do anything with the order of the SATA cables to the (4) Disk Drives?

-I'm already aware that the missing 'last step' is to alter the BIOS load-order for the new SSD (and I suppose to check that it's in "ACHI" mode, I expect so as the OEM drives (HDD&DVD-R) were both SATA from day 1

I'll have a good cuppa & read the Secure Erase tutorial while I wait...
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06 Jul 2012   #335
ignatzatsonic

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit
 
 

To avoid further confusion, you should probably post a screen shot of Windows Disk Management if possible, so we can properly ID your partitions and their status.

We need to know the details of C and System Reserved, where they are, status, size, etc. A picture is worth more than the proverbial thousand words.

I think what he wants you to do is:

Move the boot files from System Reserved (apparently now on the 1 TB drive) to C on the 40 GB SSD with Easy BCD. This eliminates the need for the System Reserved. Then make an image of C (which now contains boot files) and store the image on some HD. Then pre-align the new SSD with Diskpart. Then restore the image of C from wherever you put it to the new SSD.

But let him confirm that.

WHS typically recommends Macrium as a preferred imaging program--and he prefers to use imaging rather than cloning.

Re cabling: ideally, you want the new C on the new SSD to appear as drive 0 in Windows Disk Management, but it's rarely critical.
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06 Jul 2012   #336
LionOfNarnia

Windows 7 Professional x64 (English)
 
 

Something like this then?



I don't think I'm going to do the secure erase, I got scared by all the linux talk
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06 Jul 2012   #337
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by LionOfNarnia View Post
Impressively quick reply It came in just as I was leaving for work so this is my first chance to comment.

I'm not an "SSD Purist", but I certainly respect the opinion of one who is, so I'll do the secure erase before anything else. I still feel the need to ask for a wee bit of clarification on other things though, for the reasons stated earlier...

In 1. This has me confused! The 40GB installation IS the SSD & has no bootmngr, do you mean move the bootmngr from the 1TB drive to the 'old' C: drive which is the 40GB SSD?

2. Can I ask the REASON for imaging to another HDD? (Rather than a straight clone to the new SSD) -Just to help my understanding What software do you recommend for the imaging? Anything to be aware of?

Can you confirm that I don't need to do anything with the order of the SATA cables to the (4) Disk Drives?

-I'm already aware that the missing 'last step' is to alter the BIOS load-order for the new SSD (and I suppose to check that it's in "ACHI" mode, I expect so as the OEM drives (HDD&DVD-R) were both SATA from day 1

I'll have a good cuppa & read the Secure Erase tutorial while I wait...
1. Yes, what EasyBCD will do is move (actually Copy) the bootmgr from your 1TB drive to C.

2. Reason is that you cannot 'boot' an image. You can only boot the restored image. Use free Macrium. Here are all the instructions on how to deal with it: Imaging with free Macrium

3. Yes, you eventually have to change the BIOS boot order. Switching to AHCI you can do any time later. Make the settings in the OS first ( AHCI : Enable in Windows 7 / Vista ), then change the BIOS before rebooting.

PS: I am currently in Europe. So my answers may have a time delay because of the time difference.
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06 Jul 2012   #338
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by LionOfNarnia View Post
Something like this then?



I don't think I'm going to do the secure erase, I got scared by all the linux talk
The Secure Erase is actually quite simple. But as I have said, it is optional. What it does is clear all your Nands so that the write operations are running at top speed. But over time, garbage collection will do the same thing.

Here is another link which may explain it in a little easier way: How to securely erase an SSD drive | How To - CNET
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06 Jul 2012   #339
LionOfNarnia

Windows 7 Professional x64 (English)
 
 

btw-the data on F: is the paragon clone of C: but it should be gone now, I did this while waiting....



If I was to do the cabling correctly (I AM an engineer, after all!) i.e. putting the new big SSD where the D: drive is now, when is the right time to do that, after everything else is done & running or before doing all the migrations? Does the 'bootable' drive have to be on location (sata?) "0" to work at all?
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