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Windows 7: Product Key Number for Windows 7 - Find and See

31 Mar 2016   #130
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

Look I think that this whole issue/process is so convoluted and hard to just be able to get a system up and running again it sort of smacks of buyer beware eh? I have ISO's for three versions of 7 that I kept when they were available through Heidoc.com and have used them to reinstall 7 on three of my machines using the stickers mostly - a couple of which I have to be honest couldn't be bothered to stick to the machines I built. Now the Magic Jelly Bean has on all occasions given me the COA as per sticker because I tried it just for curiosities sake. I am now left wondering (if I didn't ask before) if Benteke has run that software and if the results come up with the sticker bits he can read surely that last digit or whatever must be there in that result.


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31 Mar 2016   #131
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu
 
 

You have to remember that an OEM from the large manufacturers is not the same as a small builders OEM They include TWO Product Keys

Due to the use of a SLIC table to pre-authorise the initial, (and any subsequent), install, using the recovery system supplied with systems from Dell, HP, Fujitsu Etc, Magic Jelly Bean, and others, will show the Product Key stored in the SLIC table.

If you use a medium not supplied by the OEM manufacturer, Even a small Builder OEM disk, to perform a clean install, the slic key, found by Magic Jelly Bean previously will not work, you have to enter the product key printed on the COA.

Subsequent uses of Magic Jelly Bean will show the COA Product Key
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31 Mar 2016   #132
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

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You have to remember that an OEM from the large manufacturers is not the same as a small builders OEM They include TWO Product Keys
Ok Nigel so if I understand it correctly if I build an OEM machine the MJB will return the COA for the copy I installed.
Now when say Asus install en mass they have a licence (? product key) to put the secondary COA on their machines which are unique to that machine.

I did buy a downgraded Asus ROG and it took me five months of nagging to get the seller to give me that unique COA because all I had was that ridiculous Windows 8 Pro sticker on the bottom. I did eventually manage to install a 7 Pro ISO using that COA they gave me and it leaves me wondering why such sellers or makers cannot give one that unique product key for future use if problems arise.
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31 Mar 2016   #133
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu
 
 

The SLIC table Keys are not Usually "unique" keys, they are usually a default Key and the licensing is handles by other means, (TPM Chip in most cases these days]

With the ROG series from Asus, and other Specialist, user focused, semi custom items it's not unusual for individual keys to be used to allow for special requirements.

Downgrade keys were always a special case, normally reserved for business systems, but they were used and agreed by Microsoft, for some consumer products, The special COA you have should have been either baked into the TPM, or affixed to the system Case
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31 Mar 2016   #134
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

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(TPM Chip in most cases these days]
Seems like they have it so sewn up now eh?

My current work laptop another Asus - P2520LA came with that daft 8 sticker as well because it is a downgrade and I suppose I am lucky because MJB gave me a product key that worked with an install I did from an ISO I have got because the original drive was a spinner and I jut had to put a SSD in to ave my sanity (whats left of it).

Anyway I think Windows has lost the plot and I am trying to catch up on the little I know about Linux - again free and bundled with loads of great software so it makes one realise how much money MS are making from their products. Justa by the by I tried to install Office 2010 onto this machine after taking it off the old machine but they won't let me activate it - just want extar money to do it - thank heavens for Libre office
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31 Mar 2016   #135
Benteke

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ICIT2LOL View Post
Look I think that this whole issue/process is so convoluted and hard to just be able to get a system up and running again it sort of smacks of buyer beware eh?
Yeah, the next Win machine I own will be custom built (not store purchased) and I'll purchase a retail copy of whatever OS I use.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ICIT2LOL View Post
Now the Magic Jelly Bean has on all occasions given me the COA as per sticker because I tried it just for curiosities sake. I am now left wondering (if I didn't ask before) if Benteke has run that software and if the results come up with the sticker bits he can read surely that last digit or whatever must be there in that result.
The number which shows up in MJB is COMPLETELY different than the number on the OEM sticker. I mean, they don't even slightly resemble one another.


When I initially phoned Fujitsu support, the gentleman who received the call seemed completely computer illiterate. It sounded like he was reciting some type of "cookie cutter" response that they probably provide to everyone calling for tech related inquiries. Eventually, I asked to speak to a 'higher up' to which he responded, I'll have a 'senior tech' return your call either tomorrow or the following day. No one ever called back! In the end, I'm partially responsible since I chose to purchase a Fujitsu brand computer. That said, it is what it is and that's why I've come here! With all the knowledgeable folks around here, I figure I can eventually get this sorted out and if not, I always have the option of using the restore disks. I'd just rather avoid the bloatware which accompanies that method.
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31 Mar 2016   #136
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu
 
 

The basic state of the matter is as you do not have a way of recovering the Windows 7 that came on the system using a fujitzu partition on the system or a set of recovery disks.

You therefore need a valid copy of windows 7 to install on the system. Option 1 would be the purchase of disks from fujitzu. Option 2 is to obtain a Microsoft disk and install from this.
Option 1 will not require a key as it will use the key teported by MJF.
Option 2 will use the other key that is on the device itself.

The issue here is that disks for this purpose are no longer available from Microsoft.

Disks are available to purchase online but reliable legal copies are around 2 to 3 times the fujitzu disk.

Best option is to see if anyone you know has a disk for the same on version as yours that is not from the likes of dell or similar large companies. This may be used with the COA key.
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01 Apr 2016   #137
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

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It sounded like he was reciting some type of "cookie cutter" response
Yes well I think most of those "support" centres are just farmed out call centres that run with a script. We have a similar situation out here with the national ISP carrier and it is very frustrating to be sent onto the next operator or their "supervisor" and so on etc

Pity about the MJB though it worked for me. Now I cannot remember if I mentioned before about a factory reset it does mean that you will have to start from scratch after saving whatever data you can. You can do that by doing it direct or using a Linux based system to recover the data.
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01 Apr 2016   #138
Benteke

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Barman58 View Post
The basic state of the matter is as you do not have a way of recovering the Windows 7 that came on the system using a fujitzu partition on the system or a set of recovery disks.

You therefore need a valid copy of windows 7 to install on the system.

I'm pretty sure I've mentioned on previous that I DO have restore disks (which I created when I purchased the laptop), and that I also have a Win7 SP1 x64 .ISO (from SGT Oddball).... I've already used the restore disks I created, so I know they work (kind of). See details here! So, I don't need a copy of W7, I have two already!

I've not yet used the x64.iso from SGT Oddball but was thinking of using it for my next reinstall, hence my original inquiry regarding that ONE odd looking character on my OEM sticker.

With that said, I think I may have figured out what that character is. The character in question is #21 of 25. While looking @ the OEM sticker # and the MJB # side by side, I noticed that the #21 character given by MJB is X. So my thinking is that the 'real' character on the OEM is most likely R because the character shown looks like a hybrid between the two (top portion of R, bottom portion of X). That's my thinking anyway.
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01 Apr 2016   #139
derekimo

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 
 

Not trying to burst your bubble but there is no way MJB knows what is on that COA sticker unless you used that key to install previously.

Comparing the OEM SLP key that MJB is reading to the completely different COA key is not really going to help, but considering that character resembles an X it's certainly worth trying. It would be coincidence if it was though.
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