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18 Jun 2012   #1190
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 

@Ex-Brit: They don't sell 5+ dollar store reading glasses, that's why you'll see (or maybe not) many typos in my posts - lol

Get in touch with endeavor, He's already done most of the work for WinMail on Win 8, but is reluctant to take ownership of a tutorial. I think he has it done, just needs someone to fine tune and "own". He helped me test the "unofficial tutorial" that I wrote.

edit: oops this post by endeavor was only a few posts back


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25 Jun 2012   #1191
vmcinab

Windows 7 Home Premium
 
 
How to reinstate Windows Mail in Windows 7

Thank you so much for posting these instructions. I have been using WLM (which I despise) since I upgraded to Win7 from Vista, and have really missed Windows Mail.
I have followed all instructions in your article, and Windows Mail is up and running. The only problems are that accessing WinMail is not available on the Context Menu, and when I try to access WinMail from the IE9 Toolbar, I get the following message: "Default mail client is not properly installed".

This is what I have done so far:
- associated the .eml extension with Windows Mail (are there other files that need to be associated?)
- set and reset "Set Program Access and Computer Defaults" in both Custom and Microsoft sections a dozen times, but it won't hold. Windows Mail is still there, but the radio button won't stay checked. Also, WLM still appears on the Default Programs list, but not Windows Mail. I think this might be a Registry problem, but I can't find any instructions on the internet on how to fix it.

Can you help?
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25 Jun 2012   #1192
Ex_Brit

Win 7 Ult SP1/Win 10 Pro (all x64)
 
 

I had to do a lot of reading - I followed this Tute to the letter and the other tute, also in the Windows 7 forum on how to set Windows Mail to be the default mail handler.

If I had the time I'd spell it out but I'm afraid I don't. If you do your research and a lot of reading I hate to say ;-) you should get it working OK.
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26 Jun 2012   #1193
endeavor

Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by vmcinab View Post
Thank you so much for posting these instructions. I have been using WLM (which I despise) since I upgraded to Win7 from Vista, and have really missed Windows Mail.
I have followed all instructions in your article, and Windows Mail is up and running. The only problems are that accessing WinMail is not available on the Context Menu,
By the context menu, do you mean for instance when you right click on a file, lets say an .mp3 or .pdf file as an example, and right click on it and select Send To: ..and that will open up WinMail to a New Message, as well it will show/attach the file you right clicked on as an attachment. That process works fine on mine right from the start and still to this day, although I have never had WLM or any other email client installed on this particular box either, therefore it must of been WLM that will mess with the default Send To options, although if you set WM as the Default Mail Client, it should set those functions back in action.

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and when I try to access WinMail from the IE9 Toolbar, I get the following message: "Default mail client is not properly installed".
IE9 Toolbar, hmmm, I have IE9 installed and at first I don't see that option for WinMail on it but I have set extra 'stuff' to off. Let me play with it to see if I can find what you mean here... ...okay I maybe found it, my option was unchecked, but if I right click on the top of the browser underneath the address bar and put a checkmark along side the 'Command Bar' option (I had it unchecked for a cleaner look and to give me more, another inch, of space for webpages to render instead of another toolbar I don't need) ...anyway with the Command Bar checkmarked yes I do see an icon for 'Read Mail' now if that's the one you are talking about? ...and if I click it, yes it will/does open the WinMail program. I assume you are saying yours does not?... Here again though I have never had WLM or any other mail client installed on this particular setup, but more than likely it does 'mess with' the original default operation of WM like it appears that your WLM has. I can vouch for a fresh install of Windows 7 without any other email clients installed, this function works fine.

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This is what I have done so far:
- associated the .eml extension with Windows Mail (are there other files that need to be associated?)
The .eml extension was already associated when you ran the installation procedure, and you can see it in the WinMailEdit.reg as:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Clients\Mail\Windows Mail\Capabilities\FileAssociations]
".eml"="Microsoft Internet Mail Message"

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- set and reset "Set Program Access and Computer Defaults" in both Custom and Microsoft sections a dozen times, but it won't hold. Windows Mail is still there, but the radio button won't stay checked. Also, WLM still appears on the Default Programs list, but not Windows Mail. I think this might be a Registry problem, but I can't find any instructions on the internet on how to fix it.
Can you help?
This fix to get the Default WinMail box to 'show' there was also already added into the WinMailEdit.reg, and you can see it as:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Clients\Mail\Windows Mail\Capabilities]
"Hidden"=dword:00000000

However I think what you are saying you have it listed and you can set it Default, but it just won't stay as Default?
...again I don't have WLM installed but I'll ask you if there is an option on WLM to always check to make sure it's the default mail client or similar, and you can turn that off so that it will let WM take over. Actually I think in WLM it's listed something like 'enable access' ...and that needs to be checkmarked, or you will have to apply the above reg again and re-checkmark the WM Default so that WM can dominate it.

In many of these cases you see since MS will never update WM to fix any newer conflicts with other email programs for Windows 7, so no doubt there will be plenty of conflicts going forward that will not be fixed; even though it's possible to do so with the right knowledge yes, but WinMail is more and more going to be problematic in those multiple install situations - but not so much in an always 'WinMail only' installed environment.

If it was really x10 important enough, at last resort I could take the time to install whatever version you have of WLM on the test bench install of a stock 7 WM install, fully tracking the changes it makes to the WM installation, compiling the solution to put back what WLM takes from WM; moreso if you are considering uninstalling WLM.

However it would be an endless and thankless task going forward to keep up with new program installs and their constantly changing environment against/affecting WM.


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26 Jun 2012   #1194
Ex_Brit

Win 7 Ult SP1/Win 10 Pro (all x64)
 
 

Setting the default is easy with two fixes in two different posts in THIS thread. You'll have to read the entire thread as I don't have the time to do it myself right now, sorry. Also make sure you read right to the end as one of those fixes is changed, twice.

Look for posts by xsmile in that thread. They have the fixes already zipped, but as I said there are two fixes and he had to change one several times.
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26 Jun 2012   #1195
endeavor

Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post
Setting the default is easy with two fixes in two different posts in THIS thread. You'll have to read the entire thread as I don't have the time to do it myself right now, sorry. Also make sure you read right to the end as one of those fixes is changed, twice.
Hello Ex_Brit !

fyi though, previously I had gone over that '2009' thread and deciphered that all registry entries that were introduced by all of you back then, right afterwards were incorporated into the reg file on Page 1 of this forum and are still there, however in that 2009 thread it was not yet discovered how to make the Default button 'visible' when it was not. However within the last 6 months that resolve was found here, but problem is it's Not in the current reg file on page 1 - but yes the good news is it's in the current WinMailEdit.reg found here.

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Look for posts by xsmile in that thread. They have the fixes already zipped, but as I said there are two fixes and he had to change one several times.
Again though All of those registry entries given in that thread discovery did get incorporated into the Page 1 reg, unfortunately this Important entry is Not there:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Clients\Mail\Windows Mail\Capabilities]
"Hidden"=dword:00000000

...but again it is included in the latest automation now and hopefully most people will use that instead.

I wish Mark could be put together with Slartybart, or whomever, whatever, so that they can maybe put the latest all inclusive automation on page 1 where maybe now it should be? ...that would be great.

..And by the way Ex-Brit - Thank You for all the work you did in years past on the WinMail project, I saw every single post that You and the others had made about it then and have always appreciated the work and Excitement everyone has put into this project, nice job everyone!

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26 Jun 2012   #1196
vmcinab

Windows 7 Home Premium
 
 

Thanks everybody -- with the help of you fine folks and a lot of internet research, I finally got everything working perfectly last night (or this morning) around 2:30 a.m. -- even the SendTo problem. Sooooo nice to have WinMail back again -- I am very happy!! :-)
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26 Jun 2012   #1197
Ex_Brit

Win 7 Ult SP1/Win 10 Pro (all x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by endeavor View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post
Setting the default is easy with two fixes in two different posts in THIS thread. You'll have to read the entire thread as I don't have the time to do it myself right now, sorry. Also make sure you read right to the end as one of those fixes is changed, twice.
Hello Ex_Brit !

fyi though, previously I had gone over that '2009' thread and deciphered that all registry entries that were introduced by all of you back then, right afterwards were incorporated into the reg file on Page 1 of this forum and are still there, however in that 2009 thread it was not yet discovered how to make the Default button 'visible' when it was not. However within the last 6 months that resolve was found here, but problem is it's Not in the current reg file on page 1 - but yes the good news is it's in the current WinMailEdit.reg found here.

Quote:
Look for posts by xsmile in that thread. They have the fixes already zipped, but as I said there are two fixes and he had to change one several times.
Again though All of those registry entries given in that thread discovery did get incorporated into the Page 1 reg, unfortunately this Important entry is Not there:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Clients\Mail\Windows Mail\Capabilities]
"Hidden"=dword:00000000

...but again it is included in the latest automation now and hopefully most people will use that instead.

I wish Mark could be put together with Slartybart, or whomever, whatever, so that they can maybe put the latest all inclusive automation on page 1 where maybe now it should be? ...that would be great.

..And by the way Ex-Brit - Thank You for all the work you did in years past on the WinMail project, I saw every single post that You and the others had made about it then and have always appreciated the work and Excitement everyone has put into this project, nice job everyone!
All I know is that I had to revisit the subject to enable Vista Windows Mail in Windows 8 and the fix on page 1 of this tute didn't do the entire job, I still needed the 2 reg files in that thread.
Yes I wish that someone would update the tute's accordingly and actually show one in the Win 8 forums. I was approached to do it, but I don't want to take ownership of a thing like that due to the endless questions that ensue, I just don't have the time to deal with that fallout, as I explained to someone recently who PM'd me and asked if I would. I think they didn't like to hear my answer but that's the way it is.
I am an admin level Moderator over at McAfee forums and as you can imagine, they keep me occupied 99.999% of the time and although I'm retired and should have loads of time, my health isn't good so I have to avoid stress if at all possible, so one forum's problems are more than enough for me I'm afraid. ;-)

Thanks for the kind words. By the way your 1st link above doesn't work.

Regards.
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26 Jun 2012   #1198
endeavor

Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post
All I know is that I had to revisit the subject to enable Vista Windows Mail in Windows 8 and the fix on page 1 of this tute didn't do the entire job, I still needed the 2 reg files in that thread.
Yes I wish that someone would update the tute's accordingly and actually show one in the Win 8 forums. I was approached to do it, but I don't want to take ownership of a thing like that due to the endless questions that ensue, I just don't have the time to deal with that fallout, as I explained to someone recently who PM'd me and asked if I would. I think they didn't like to hear my answer but that's the way it is.
I am an admin level Moderator over at McAfee forums and as you can imagine, they keep me occupied 99.999% of the time and although I'm retired and should have loads of time, my health isn't good so I have to avoid stress if at all possible, so one forum's problems are more than enough for me I'm afraid. ;-)

Thanks for the kind words. By the way your 1st link above doesn't work.

Regards.
My point was that every single relevant registry entry in that entire threads reg attachments is Already included in the old WinMailEdit.reg on page 1, I checked every single entry, but again the new WinMailEdit.reg has the other very important one as well. iow, if you merged the page 1 reg, it has all the same entries that old thread has too so there is no difference; compare and see.

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Yes Slartybart pm'd and cc'd both you and I about it; I thought you knew that.
I agree with your sentiments about it, I don't have the time to own it either with too much on my plate as it is, but I Do Care.

As you know I also have WinMail installed on 8 just fine too (I'm not booted to it at the moment) I used a combo of automation (even though it did Not need all of it as it was, but did no harm either) and the files I posted about at the 8 forums. I much prefer to use WM on 7 though without a doubt. I'm sure though you need to use/have access to 8 because of your work at McAfee.

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All the links I posted in My post work Fine here so I'm not sure why any one of them don't work for you. It's interesting though that within your message of my quoted post, your posts quote Breaks my links though, but my post is fine.
I'm sure Brink would know what the issue is why your quote of my post breaks them; and/or if it's on my end.

Are you using the IE on 8?
I used IE9 on 7 to post it, and I see this forum intercepts the links as you can see the 'mhtml' stuff by hovering the link targets, you can see what it does; but it does get there on IE9, for me anyway. If I'm not doing something right for All Browsers to see any of my links in my posts then I'd like to know about it, and the reasons why, please.

edit:
hmmm, I going to go back right now and edit my post to remove the mhtml additions..., I'm not sure why that happens, I think something to do with logged in/offline link creating.

Best of health to you,

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26 Jun 2012   #1199
Ex_Brit

Win 7 Ult SP1/Win 10 Pro (all x64)
 
 

Sorry I didn't keep the messages regarding the request for me to take ownership of the issue so couldn't remember who was involved.

If those reg's are already included then I wonder why, for me at least, the one 'cure' didn't work for the default mail client part of the equation? Maybe they have to be applied after making WM work? Sorry, that's where things get too technical for me I'm afraid.

Re: the links, I think it's just a board glitch perhaps?
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