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03 Jan 2013   #1270
vassar89

windows 7 home premium 64
 
 
undoing changes from Windows Mail tutorial

About a year ago, I followed the tutorial here to get Windows Mail on Win7 and have been using it since. Now I am ready to learn Outlook 2010 (mostly because it seems to have a better way to work with contacts--I got an iPhone and merged contacts and have 3-5 entries for each person--see my other post).

I went back to the tutorial page and it has been significantly changed, so I can not figure out what I might need to undo now. I found a folder that I must have made when doing the tutorial called "MS Mail temp hide" and in it are 4 subfolders: Backup, Local Folders, Microsoft Communities, Stationery and then some files with .jrs .pat .log .chk and some other extensions.

Should I move this folder back somewhere else? I want to export my Window Mail emails and folders into Outlook 2010 and have it all set up the same way. I have an archive of old emails that I need to access from time to time, I have them sorted into folders (both incoming and sent).

I tried the "export" to Microsoft Exchange in Windows Mail, following a web page the people here had linked to and it didn't work. I got an error that said "The export could not be performed. An error occurred while initializing MAPI" and I wonder if this temp hide folder move was the cause of this error.

thanks


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03 Jan 2013   #1271
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 

vassar89: I'm not sure that you have to undo anything.

You might consdier opening a new thread relating to outlook 2010, this is the WM tutorial and as such doesn't include outlook. You''l probably get more help specific to Outlook and migrating

Here's what I woul try - launch Outlook and import Windows Mail messages (and contacts)
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03 Jan 2013   #1272
endeavor

Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)
 
 

@ Sammy
I always enjoyed OE in the very early days too. WM is basically the same thing with a few improvements and I like it even better. It's so blessed easy to install on 7 and only takes a few minutes, and with the new procedure it's pretty much fully automated.
As mentioned previously it's almost as quick and almost as easy to place it on 8 too for even the slightly experienced+ user, but here I agree and I prefer to use the 7 OS better at this point in time.

@vassar89
Yes the current Tutorial face and outward form has changed, although it's for the better in a few important ways. The procedure looks different than it was originally yes, but is even easier now and importantly its abilities are more encompassing. Anyway I also have Outlook installed on 7 since it came with the Office suite, but I don't even use Outlook since I prefer WM so much better 'for the way I use it'; however it's true for instance at the office where Outlook is the norm then yes Outllook serves best in that varied connective environment. Anyway, when you install Outlook and start it, it prompts you to import, etc, I don't know why you are trying to export 'out of WM' to Office where the procedure would be done the opposite via Outlook itself. Since this is specifically a WM on 7 thread though then you would be better served to post in the Outlook forum thread; having said as far as WM goes with what you've activated previously on 7 there is nothing extra you need to do with your current WM installation on 7 at all as Outlook should find what it needs just fine the way it is. good kuck
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03 Jan 2013   #1273
vassar89

windows 7 home premium 64
 
 

Thanks to the two who responded so quickly. I had been hoping to re-read the tutorial and find out why I had the folder wtih "temp hide" and see if I should move it back to somewhere unhidden. Since the tutorial has changed so much, clearly I can't do that. Just was hoping I hadn't messed something up with outlook last year when I did this. Just in case anyone else searches, I am not using the Outlook import feature because I have read it marks every email as received that day. I found an import add on and am using that, it says it will preserve all the folders, emails, and attachments from .eml.
thanks again for the quick responses. I have posted other questions in the email forums but haven't gotten any responses since.
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06 Jan 2013   #1274
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 

vassar82: I don't recall any mention of a folder "temp hide" when I rewrote the tutorial, but I didn't read all 1230 comments in the original. My focus was taking the key parts and consolidating/automating them.

At any rate, the folder sounds as though it is your original MS Mail folder from a Vista machine (based on the content description). Moving or renaming it would have no effect on solving the MAPI issue and it might even mess you up more.

I wish I had thought about this before, but since you said you only need to occasionally reference the eMail in WM, then you could leave it in WM and look at it using WM. Probably a moot point now though.

I did a little research and found that the MAPI issue was never addressed in the original tut, so as Microsoft has moved well past WM, I don't think much effort will be put into solving it now.

I also saw that Outlook import "reset" the rcv'd dates - what is not clear is if this is still true today on OL 2010 / 2013. The posts/comments I read were quite old. Unfortunately I don't have OL 2010 or 2013 to test. It seems as though the "alarm" about receive dates only pertains to sent items. So I think using OL import is the way to go (or use the add-on when you provide a reference). The receive date on sent items will be incorrect, but all other data should be retained. At least that's how I read the research - only a real world test can answer that.

Could you post what add-on you found, either here or in your other threads?

And for anyone else following, I found this on the MS answer pages (it seems to be a two part solution, so read both pages if you follow the link)
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by hyperform
I had this problem. When you set sort by sent date in view all mails are displayed correct time. You must right click on arrange by in a folder and select view settings. You can find sent option by clicking sort button.
-- another user commented that didn't work for them until they did the following
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by tlong
July 23, 2011: Yeah. Doesn't work. When I switch to sent messages, the order goes by time but seems to have no regard for date. Messages from yesterday are next to messages from 2005

July 24, 2011: Turns out the problem is with conversation view. If you sort by sent date and want this to work, you have to turn off the "show as conversations" box on the view ribbon.
Probably the best explanation comes from itknowledgeexchange (even though it applies to OL 2003):
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by wiki
Answer Wiki:
We have seen users experience problems with the imported data in Outlook (OL) after completing the process of transferring e-mail message data from Outlook Express (OE) into Outlook.

The problems are most often seen as <b>incorrect, missing or misinterpreted dates on e-mail messages.</b>

Please also refer to the following Microsoft Knowledge Base and Assistance article on transferring data between OE and OL.
<a href="How to upgrade from Outlook Express to Outlook"> * OE to OL2002 or OL2003: Knowledge Base</a>;
--> broken link: office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA010943871033.aspx">Assistance
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/ou...001094387.aspx

During the import to OL, the problem arises on e-mail messages that did not originally pass through an SMTP server.

This is normally those messages that are placed directly into the 'Sent Items' folder.

The 'received date' on these messages gets set during the import procedure to the date that the transfer to OL takes place, instead of the 'received date' they originally had.

This sometimes shows up as many imported messages with the current date in Outlook with the same messages that appear with a date of 'Today' in NEO.

The export from Outlook Express: The export process from OE avoids the date problem that results from the import to OL, as described above, but the export causes the loss of all SMTP header information.

This is most commonly observed as a loss of the 'reply to' e-mail addresses associated with the affected messages. Steps to rectify the problem if it occurs:
  1. Try running a rule in Outlook Express to put all emails that are 'from you' into the Sent Items folder. This collects all the e-mails that will be affected by the missing date issue, having not gone through a server, into one folder.
  2. Then import into Outlook. This brings in all the emails properly, with the exception of the ones in the Sent Items folder, which will all have bad 'received' dates.
  3. Next, delete the Sent Items folder in Outlook.
  4. Go back to Outlook Express and Export just the Sent Items folder to Outlook. Now you have the right dates on the Sent Items, but they have lost their SMTP header information. In most cases this is not a critical problem, since you would not normally be replying to your messages that reside in your Sent Items folder.
  5. Finally, let Neo build it's catalog and all of the dates should appear correctly.
To our knowledge, from the discussion forums for Outlook, there seems to be a lack of understanding about what is going on here and that there's no clear realization of the mechanisms behind the errors.

The fact that Sent Items don't go through an SMTP server means that their 'received dates' are generated internally by Outlook Express, rather than coming from an SMTP header.

This results in the date problems once the messages arrive in Outlook for some users of NEO.

It appears as though Outlook internally uses a different date from the message when this problem is encountered but NEO only accesses the received date through the Microsoft Automation interface.

If you continually run into problems there are third party products that help with this but I have not tried any of them so I would not feel comfortable recommending one! good luck!
Since the MAPI error occurs on the WM hack, the export workaround above will not help. I did not research NEO so can't comment on that.

also see: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/291602
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10 Jan 2013   #1275
dtarsky

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
 
 

Thank you - I am not great with computers, but the instructions are so easy that I had Windows Mail within 5 minutes. Just to note that after downloading the instruction file, as requested, the rest of the instructions assume that it has downloaded to your "Downloads" file - mine went to the IE files, so I simply moved the whole file to the downloads file, and it worked great.

Many thanks
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10 Jan 2013   #1276
vassar89

windows 7 home premium 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Slartybart View Post

Could you post what add-on you found, either here or in your other threads?
Thanks so much for all the advice. I have to say that I didn't really understand it all. In case anyone else is interested. I used the export command in WM to export all my emails with the "windows live mail" option (since the microsoft exchange option resulted in the MAPI error. In answer to your question, I used free software I downloaded from outlookfreeware.com a site I think I first found here (or it could have been from a google search). I had to download their runtime program and then a specific one for importing .eml files. It was advertised to preserve all emails, folders, and folder organization while importing into outlook. It appeared as an add on and made its own tab in outlook. It seems to have transferred the emails in their folders but didn't quite succeed in keeping the folders in their hierarchies--so I had to move some folders around and inside each other. I then removed the software. I hope that it didn't leave anything yucky on my computer. I also did the think to correct/reinstall microsoft stuff that I read about here, so WM has "disappeared" again.

I hope it is okay to post this here. I was really happy to have WM on my win7 for the last year and probably would not have switched to outlook if I hadn't gotten a smart phone and needed feature of outlook.
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11 Jan 2013   #1277
Sammy888

Windows 7
 
 

Sorry endeavor, I gotta disagree big time with you on WLM. Suddenly, I came across this error which never occured with OE: Windows Live Mail: "Unexpected Error" - Unable to delete some messages

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by endeavor View Post
@ Sammy
I always enjoyed OE in the very early days too. WM is basically the same thing with a few improvements and I like it even better. It's so blessed easy to install on 7 and only takes a few minutes, and with the new procedure it's pretty much fully automated.
As mentioned previously it's almost as quick and almost as easy to place it on 8 too for even the slightly experienced+ user, but here I agree and I prefer to use the 7 OS better at this point in time.
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15 Jan 2013   #1278
Sammy888

Windows 7
 
 

Looks like I can't import my WLM 2012 messages into Outlook 2013. Gotta love how MS products don't talk to each other.

So, I am just wondering. Is it possible that the WM installation onto Windows 7 will be able to convert the WLM 2012 messages into .dbx format? And regardless, is it maybe better to wait for MailApp instead of waiting to go through all that hassle in installing WM?
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15 Jan 2013   #1279
roncerr

Windows 8 Pro w/MC 32-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Sammy888 View Post
Looks like I can't import my WLM 2012 messages into Outlook 2013. Gotta love how MS products don't talk to each other.

So, I am just wondering. Is it possible that the WM installation onto Windows 7 will be able to convert the WLM 2012 messages into .dbx format? And regardless, is it maybe better to wait for MailApp instead of waiting to go through all that hassle in installing WM?
The .dbx format was last used in OE (never in WM or WLM) although the newer programs can import form the older format. Also, MS doesn't make it easy to "downgrade". So you can't generally export from a newer free program to an older one or from a paid program like Outlook to a free one. But you're first sentence doesn't sound correct since MS wants people to "upgrade" to Outlook from any of the free programs. Perhaps you need to export WLM messages into "Exchange" format and then use Outlook to import from that exported file.
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