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Windows 7: Windows Mail

21 Nov 2014   #1610
endeavor

Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bjproc View Post
i've added in windows mail to my mum's, but now it want to keep asking for the username & password

any ideas why it's doing this?
After you have run the tutorial to setup WinMail, then for a new install or if you have no settings to import from your previous client, then you'll have to go in to WinMail's tab of Tools> Accounts, and set all that information up manually; under the Properties tab of the Account you setup, on its Server tab is where you enter in your ISP's username & pass, as well throughout all other informations to setup an account all of which if you have no previous imports, has to be done manually just like any other Mail Client setup.


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22 Nov 2014   #1611
bjproc

Win 7 Pro 32bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by endeavor View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bjproc View Post
i've added in windows mail to my mum's, but now it want to keep asking for the username & password

any ideas why it's doing this?
After you have run the tutorial to setup WinMail, then for a new install or if you have no settings to import from your previous client, then you'll have to go in to WinMail's tab of Tools> Accounts, and set all that information up manually; under the Properties tab of the Account you setup, on its Server tab is where you enter in your ISP's username & pass, as well throughout all other informations to setup an account all of which if you have no previous imports, has to be done manually just like any other Mail Client setup.
Thanks, I'm sure its set up right, but I'll double check it
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25 Dec 2014   #1612
lostdane

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Thanks for this amazing guide, worked great. Windows Mail crashed the first two times I tried to run it, but now I have my Gmail account set up and it all seems to work well. I really like this program because it's so leightweight, loads quickly and is very responsive.

Is there any way to have Windows Mail minimize to the system tray though? That'd really be great.
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31 Dec 2014   #1613
endeavor

Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lostdane View Post
Is there any way to have Windows Mail minimize to the system tray though? That'd really be great.
Hello lostdane, and welcome to the Seven Forums.
The answer to your question is No, but there is a (limited) yes, and what I mean by a yes is that an icon will appear in the 'system tray' but Only when new e-mail arrivals happen and Only if you have that system tray option of Customize set to show 'icons and notifications' on the Windows Mail entry - and that is when, if you already have Windows Mail running either open or set minimized to the 'regular' bottom tray, and if you have WinMail's receive options set polling for new emails, and then when one arrives, a new email icon appears on the system tray with the caption "You Have New e-Mail'' and (if set) will also play a new email arrival sound.
Note though, the only thing you can do with that icon is double-click it which will just bring the already running minimized WinMail and open it to the forefront; that new email icon provides no other options and that's why I said (limited) because it's purpose is good only for Visually letting you know you have a new email arrival via its appearing icon, and at the same time Audibly with a sound that thankfully can play too.
I have a Windows Mail shortcut in my Quick Launch tray too.

That's how I have mine setup and that's the best we can do - or at least as far as I know.

Happy Holidays to Everyone!
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05 Jan 2015   #1614
WelshyPete

Windows 7 64bit
 
 

Hello I have just joined the forum with having Windows 7 64bit. I'm volunteering for several charity IT roles in my spare time.

I come up with problems but most of the time I can solve them. But then of course there times when you need some extra help. I help disabled people with all disabilities, partially sighted and non sighted people. Also people who are out of work or want a job or start self employment. Below is the list of charity I help out with just to give you a back ground idea.

RNIB Technology Support Coordinator, IT Specialist,
Technology Support Squad, Get Connected Crew RNIB

PRIME Cymru Volunteer Mentor Project The Prince's Initiative for Mature Enterprise

Digital Champion 2.0 DVSC Denbighshire Voluntary Service Council

AbilityNet IT Support and County Coordinator AbilityNet

The main problem at the moment Windows Mail. The customers I visit have sight problems and changes in software and programs can cause serious problems at times. Windows mail is something of a problem at the moment with the changes.

I know windows mail works on vista and looking on the forum here now it will work on windows 7 now also good news. But I have visited a customer recently and they have windows mail on there windows 8 then 8.1 pc. So its possible that windows mail does work on a windows 8 and 8.1.

So I need this working on windows 7 machines and windows 8 for future clients.

So does this version work on windows 7 32bit, 64bit, and windows 8, 8.1?

Also will any future updates change this to the window live mail be a problem?

Many thanks
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05 Jan 2015   #1615
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by WelshyPete View Post
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I know windows mail works on vista and looking on the forum here now it will work on windows 7 now also good news. But I have visited a customer recently and they have windows mail on there windows 8 then 8.1 pc. So its possible that windows mail does work on a windows 8 and 8.1.

So I need this working on windows 7 machines and windows 8 for future clients.

So does this version work on windows 7 32bit, 64bit, and windows 8, 8.1?

Also will any future updates change this to the window live mail be a problem?

Many thanks
The first thing you should know Pete is that this tutorial only shows you how to get WinMail working on Windows 7 - there isn't any real support for WinMail.

There are related tutorials that show you how to get WinMail calendar working and maybe other features.

This only works on Windows 7 (32 & 64 bit) installs. Some members have proof of concept on Win8, but this tutorial does not do the trick for Win8.

Future updates change this? I'm not sure if you're asking about WinMail or Windows Live Mail.
Futures updates are an unknown commodity - some Windows Updates have and might affect WinMail. Members will try to resolve those types of issues if and when they crop up, but we're not the developers and have zero control over what MS updates. The last update that caused an issue for WinMail was an update to core HTML processing - fortunately that update caused issues elsewhere and MS put out an update to fix those errors which also fixed the WinMail issues - phew!

There isn't any way that I can think of that WinMail would be changed to WLM, if that's what your question was about. There are two separate applications.

With all of the caveats stated, reinstated WinMail has been used for a good number of years without major issues by a few members. These members are the core support of this endeavor (see that paly on words endeavor?)

I would normally recommend that a member migrate to a supported mail client, but I understand your needs.

Summary: WinMail reinstated by this tutorial is as rock solid as it's going to get. WinMail is not supported by Microsoft, and this tutorial was written as a stop gap measure.

Thanks for doing what you do with and for those folks and the organizations - it's important work.

Bill
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07 Jan 2015   #1616
kewl1

Win 7 Ultimate SP1 64 bit
 
 
Question

Hello Guys and Gals,

I have a question that has puzzled me for years. Thanks to this forum I was able to keep my beloved Windows Mail when I ditched Vista and went to Windows 7 32 bit (Which I think should have been SP1 for Vista but that’s another story). I then switched to Win 7 64 and again no problem. Win 7 SP1 64 - no problem. Win 8, 64 it was a piece of cake and took 2 minutes but I hate windows 8 so much I took it off my new laptop and put 7 on after a couple of days

Here's my question. Why on earth has MS kept the hidden files in the OS all this time, allowing us to do this? At first with Win 7 I thought it was probably due to laziness and overlooked in the always rush to slam a new OS onto the street to haul in more money ASAP. Just an oversight? But it continues to be there. I am certainly not complaining but just curious as to why you think they are doing it. Could it be that some other functions of the OS depend upon these files?

Thanks for considering my question and thanks so much for helping me to keep my Winmail all these many years. I am the type of person who may have the most up-to-date programs for converting home videos, making DVD's etc. etc. But I still use Lotus Organizer since my very first Thinkpad in 1993 (updated to the last available version which is still 2003) as well as Windows Mail which I hope to never lose.
Kewl1
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07 Jan 2015   #1617
endeavor

Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kewl1 View Post
Hello Guys and Gals,

Here's my question. Why on earth has MS kept the hidden files in the OS all this time, allowing us to do this? At first with Win 7 I thought it was probably due to laziness and overlooked in the always rush to slam a new OS onto the street to haul in more money ASAP. Just an oversight? But it continues to be there. I am certainly not complaining but just curious as to why you think they are doing it. Could it be that some other functions of the OS depend upon these files?
Hello kewl1

Good question!
I have dreaming hopes someday they will activate WinMail again, but it's just purely a far off dream.
No matter though, I will always use it, even for Windows 8 or Windows 10 which I already have installed with WinMail and working. I mostly stay booted to Windows 7 for now though, but use/boot to any with one click of the mouse when needed.

Anyway I often wondered your question myself, and wondered if they use the WinMail base files to somehow run the built-in Mail client on 7, 8, or 10 ...I've never investigated it though and was just a passing thought wondering.

Maybe they use the same whole MS program footprint for all their new OS's just disabling the ones they don't want, until at some point they re-write the whole Program and OS base from scratch.

Anyway back to WinMail, of which I only want to use WinMail for my client, even with it's annoying spell-check hassle that had me swear out-loud just yesterday when I forgot not doing it right.
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08 Jan 2015   #1618
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 

It is a good question. I'm sure it's for legacy application reasons.

I know for instance that the Windows Address Book (WAB) and Contacts folder are not used by Windows Essentials Mail (WEM), but do serve as a migration path. There are still a lot of people migrating off of XP to something - so there's a legit reason to keep it handy. I liked having Contacts available outside of WEM. When I worked on the tut, I was able to import and export using that folder. When I removed WinMail (un-reinstated?) I lost that function and scratched my head for a while.

WEM uses the VCS business card file for contacts and stores them in a DB, so you have to launch WEM to get a phone #.
I just export them to a CSV file and import them to the Contacts folder - so that might be a reason besides migrating to WEM, there might be a lot of customers that do the same. And then there might be some foreign or contractual legalese that requires MS to keep it (not sure on that though).

The eml msgs are plain files, but other information is also stored in a DB - the only way to fully migrate mail, contacts, calendar, etc is to write a specialized tool or keep the old code available and write hooks into it for the 'migrator' tool.

A lot of guesses, educated guesses, but still guesses.

Bill
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endeavor - please remind me what the spell check issue is? Something about not spellchecking when sending?
Thanks
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08 Jan 2015   #1619
kewl1

Win 7 Ultimate SP1 64 bit
 
 

Thank you both for your replies. I am guessing that endeavor is referring to the problem I have whereby if I highlight text such as a paragraph or whatever, to do a spell check on, it will freeze and close the program and the entire email will be lost. It is indeed enough to make one swear out loud especially if the email was long. I've done this many times. I tried to correct the problem by re-installing i.e. redoing the tutorial but I still have it. I just have to keep trying to remember to not highlight. I assume this must have been caused by a Windows Update many months ago.

Cheers
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