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11 Mar 2018   #1790

Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1


Thanks for the reply

As mentioned above copying all WinMail folders and files was no help. This includes WindowsMail.MSMesageStore.

Read post $368, 369, etc. on eightforums. Error msgs seem same. Folders under userprofile\..\..\..\Windows Mail showing as dates are placed there by winmail when it tries to open/find msgstore and dies. Every time i tried to open WinMail on the cloned HD I received a new folder like that.

I may try a different clone pgm. Will also compare registry settings, although I do not know why that would be affected if clone works.

FWIW pls fwd copy of

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11 Mar 2018   #1791

Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)

If done correctly from your latest sources, it works every time and I've personally done it more times than I can count. If it helps you can link some screenshots showing what you are doing, just like that person did there, which in the process revealed where his problem was. Take your time to figure it out.

I've also linked the on the WinMail Bug List page, read down till you find Windows Mail Utilities. It may also be good for you to know the other information on this post.
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12 Mar 2018   #1792

Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)

How are you making out whosit42 ?

If your backup was made from a time that WinMail was working! ..and you are deleting/replacing your message store folder that is default located @
%USERPROFILE%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Mail\
You then DELETE the current broken 'Windows Mail' whole folder at that same location, and you copy your backup 'working one' to the Exact same path place you just deleted your broken one.
Then if you had separately made a (backup) export of the registry folder key mentioned in my write up:
"HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail"
..from the same working OS source, and you merge that in - You Will Succeed! It has to! There is nothing preventing that if you are doing it correctly ..both are the same copies as the source, and if that source was working at the time you made it, then when both are restored correctly, you will have an exact working WinMail copy of that same point in time.

What am I missing that you are not doing correctly of what I just said?
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12 Mar 2018   #1793

Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1

Progress report = No progress!

Started over completely today. Backed up Reserved and C: partition as an image. Separately copied User\..\..\etc\Windows Mail folder to separate location on my external BU HD. Backed up registry entry for Windows Mail also. Did same with C:\Program Files\Windows Mail.

Re-cloned HD again. All programs that I tested on new HD worked; i.e.browser, MS Office, other items. Deleted cloned version of User\..\..\etc\Windows Mail. Copied User\..\..\etc\Windows Mail from BU to new HD. Merged registry BU.

Started Windows Mail. Same as before. Cannot recover msgstore. Program during this startup process deletes the MsgStore that exists under User\..\..\etc\Windows Mail. Also deletes the .pat file, both .jrs files. Makes a new folder showing the current date and a random number as the folder name. Folder is empty.

Redid all copies. This pass also deleted Windows Mail folder under Program Files, replaced same with the BU version. Still no joy. Also used winutil151.exe, no help.

Am now back on the original HD; all is well.

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File Type: pdf winmail screen 3.pdf (471.3 KB, 63 views)
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12 Mar 2018   #1794

Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1

When I have some time in the next few days, I will put the new HD back in, and see if there are entries in the CBS log. I have fixed some problems before by crawling thru that log. Or else Event Logs.

i do know that if i run sfc /scannow and files get 'fixed', i have to replace the files in C:\Program Files\Windows Mail because sfc does not like the .dll that Win Mail uses. Don't seem to recall this being mentioned in the WinMail Bug List mentioned above.
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14 Mar 2018   #1795

Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)

Dear whosit42,

If you create a backup image of your C:\ OS partition where WinMail is fully working, and you restore it to C:\ ..then everything will work the same as it was on the working source drive, as long as you or your imager is restoring properly, and all your default WinMail paths are the same!
However, the fact that your partition image restores are showing up with WinMail not working in the way you describe, tells me somehow your image/restore process is either changing paths, or you are not realizing that your source drive WinMail install was pulling from a different message store path than what it can see or is available on your new HD, or is reverting to a previous import path which you have forgotten about, etc.

fwiw, when it comes to imaging softwares, I never using the 'cloning' option for a number of Excellent reasons, instead I always create ''backup images'' of OS partitions (or the whole HD/SSD's full of partitions in one image) to a separate HD, (not cloning as the term implies, but creating a (continually reusable) backup image) then 'restore' from that backup image, individual partitions, or a full restore of all partitions, depending on the job at hand.

"Am now back on the original HD; all is well."
...then the fact that you put your source drive back in place and it's working tells me what I said above is true.

"i do know that if i run sfc /scannow and files get 'fixed', i have to replace the files in C:\Program Files\Windows Mail because sfc does not like the .dll that Win Mail uses. Don't seem to recall this being mentioned in the WinMail Bug List mentioned above. "
!!! ..your comment tells me you are not using the WinMail post #1 Tutorial attached files !!!
Win7 users do Not have that SFC bug whosit42, we fixed that issue back in 2014! ..and so if you do the Page 1 tutorial properly, you (or all Win7 users) can run SFC all day long and it will not affect WinMail or any msoe...dll, and so let's get on board here! ..although having said that, that will not fix your current 'message store' problem and only SFC. The message store answer to what you are doing wrong is something within what I already said above, and you will see in the end the answer will be simple - and so don't make it complicated <g>

Now, your Desktop background picture scene is Beautiful !!! really is! ..and the little GUI pop-up messages are a known already, but that is not the screenshots I was asking you about! The screenshots I was talking about are to see the other full paths of what you're doing; for instance look 'again' at what I posted to dannywong here:
How to reinstate WinMail onto Windows 8 or Windows 10 | Page 19 | Windows 8 Help Forums you see what I pointed out to him about his screenshot showing F:\ ..and so no speed reading there and read it objectively to get the bottom-line points of all mentions. When it comes to what's happening - Paths Matter! ..and if it encounters a different path it will start the numbered process you encountered.

Besides this partition imaging subject (which not everyone has anyway) that we got off into above, know that imaging is Not Necessary to properly fully restore a previous working WinMail client in full.
Preferably, you simply do what is outlined in the Backup Process shown on the bug list post, which has nothing to do with partition imaging at all. The preferred method for proper WinMail backups from a 'working' source, only requires an export of that registry folder key to merge when needed, and preferably a zip/rar of your message store folder which is to be restored to exact paths (don't double nest the folders, or it will corrupt)

Everyone should know this by now but let me repeat it just in case: Never use any of the Win7 Post 1 Tutorial attachments over at the WinMail Win8 tutorial, or vice versa! ..unless specifically noted.

~ whosit42 I also remember you from the Eight Forums, and so fwiw if you used that WinMailEdit.reg from there, on Win7 here, that could be also why your SFC is broken! They are not the same and I cautioned about that in my notes there.
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28 Apr 2018   #1796

Win 7 Ultimate SP1 64 bit
Problem with Winfdows mail after restore from Backup

Thaks to this wonderful forum I have been using Windows (Vista) Mail in Windows 7 on many computers ever since win 7 came out. I am experiencing a problem that I have never had before. I had to restore Windows Mail from a Norton Ghost backup in March. Now, every time I open Windows Mail I am getting more and more of these empty folders appearing. They have names like "recovered, imported, local" have to keep deleting them. Has anyone ever had this problem and does anyone know how to get rid of it?

I am uploading a jpg of the folders in question. Hopefully, I am doing it properly

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29 Apr 2018   #1797

Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)

Hello kewl1,

Yes I have seen that issue before a few times, on my own setup over the years.

The way I always fixed it, was to perform the Backup/Restore process that is outlined on the Errata (Bug List) page linked on Post 1, that of course fixes it every single time, as long as your backup does not have that same condition, then when you restore it the problem will be gone. The only downside, is that any emails (or newsgroup posts) that were downloaded since the last dated time of your backup, will be missing. I never go a few weeks without creating a backup and so was never a big deal for me. I see yours was back in March so that's not too bad; but again, as long as that condition did not exist in your backup. I don't think you'll need to restore the reg in this case, but, you should always have a backup (export) copy of it saved for good reason anyway!

About your Norton Ghost - are you saying you made a partition image backup using it, and if so can you recover just individual folders out of it? If yes, then you want to separately copy the folder:
C:\Users\Win7\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Mail
..out of it, and following the instructions on the Backup/Restore procedure, you will Delete your current folder (or cut/paste it somewhere else for possible future reference is a better idea) ..but when it's removed, then copy/paste your Ghost copy of it to its exact place. (Do NOT copy one over the other!) That should do it. Read the notes carefully to understand, once you do, proceed. WinMail.exe is of course should Not be running while you do this.

It's possible the utility WMUtil that is attached on the bug list page, might help; I don't think so, but you can try it.

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01 May 2018   #1798

Win 7 Ultimate SP1 64 bit

Hi endeavor,

Thanks very much. Nice to see you still here after all these years. Sorry for the slow reply. I used to get an email when there was a reply in this forum. I changed my email two months ago and maybe forgot to change it in here. I will try what you suggested for sure.

Yes, I can restore individual files. In this case, I think I restored one or more folders so perhaps that was the problem.
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