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12 Jan 2010   #180
poppa bear

Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
 
 

To myzr7 re:
Quote:
poppa bear, this is what I use. Snipping tool snap shot of anything on your screen. then save it to my docs, then attach it using paper clip icon.
Thanks very much myzr7 for that info re snipping tool and attaching images. Snipping tool is available in my OS of Windows 7 Ultimate under Start/Accessories.

I've used it to snip a jpeg image of part of my program files which is shown in the following attachment. And when this image is clicked with the mouse it opens in a separate window in larger size.


Windows Mail-my-programs.jpg


I now understand why the original image I put in my post wouldn't open to a separate window when I clicked it.... (See post No. 238, Page 24).

It was all about the size of the original image; not how I had inserted it into the post as an attachment, or a link via upload web site.

If the original image is small, and fits the standard size allowed for images in posts, when inserted as an attachment in a post and clicked with the mouse it will not open in a separate window as a larger image, because it's already full size.

However, if the original image is larger than the standard size allowed for images in posts, when inserted as an attachment in a post it will be auto shrunk to the standard image size allowed in posts. If this shrunken image in the post is now clicked with the mouse, it will open in a separate window in it's original large size.

The image I had attached in my post was from an image I'd copied from your post, by right clicking the image and saving as picture to desktop. When I then attached this saved picture from my desktop in my post and clicked it, it wouldn't open in a separate window to show it in a larger size because it was already shown as it's original full size as I'd copied it.

In other words, the image you showed in your post was shrunken, and could be expanded back to original size by clicking. However, I'd only saved a snapshot of the shrunken image, not the shrunken image itself, and hence it couldn't be expanded.

However, when this saved image on my desktop was doubled in size using Microsoft Picture Manager, and then added as an attachment, it was shown in the post as a shrunken version. This image when clicked would then open in a separate window in it's larger full size.

Furthermore, if the snapshot is increased in size, the text is blurred, (as seen in the 2nd image below), because it's just enlarging the size of an image already blurred due to it's size; as distinct from restoring a shrunken image to full size.

This 1st attachment shown below is a snapshot which was created by right clicking the image in your post and saving to desktop as a picture. When clicked it won't open in another window because it's already full size.


Windows Mail-capture.jpg


This 2nd attachment is the same picture doubled in size, but when attached is auto shrunk to standard post size. When clicked with the mouse it opens in a separate window in original full size.


Windows Mail-capture-resized.jpg

Mega thanks myzr7. The mystery is now solved.

ps Found an easier way of putting an image from another post into my post. Highlight the image, right click and copy. Then paste into main body of my new post. The pasted image retains all the properties of the original thumbnail, and can be clicked to open in a new window in origianl large size, which I've done with the image shown below which was copied and pasted from myzr7's post No 234 on Page 24 of this thread.




Cheers PB





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12 Jan 2010   #181
Greg S

Windows 7 Professional 32-bit (6.1, Build 7600)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by poppa bear View Post
To GregS re:
Quote:
Update: I managed to get Windows Mail back in the Default Programs control panel by replacing en-US folder with the one from Vista. The Windows Mail(News) is still missing in action.
Unfortunately can't help with WinMail(News) in Default Programs. ....

Let me know if you find a solution. Good luck. PB
Here's the reg file that adds it to Default Programs control panel
Code:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
 
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Microsoft Internet News Message]
@="Internet News Message"
"InfoTip"="prop:System.Message.FromName;System.Subject;System.Message.DateReceived"
"PreviewTitle"="prop:System.Subject;System.Message.FromName"
"FriendlyTypeName"=hex(2):40,00,25,00,50,00,72,00,6f,00,67,00,72,00,61,00,6d,\
  00,46,00,69,00,6c,00,65,00,73,00,25,00,5c,00,57,00,69,00,6e,00,64,00,6f,00,\
  77,00,73,00,20,00,4d,00,61,00,69,00,6c,00,5c,00,57,00,69,00,6e,00,4d,00,61,\
  00,69,00,6c,00,2e,00,65,00,78,00,65,00,2c,00,2d,00,32,00,32,00,32,00,00,00
"PreviewDetails"="prop:System.Message.FromAddress;System.Message.DateReceived;System.ItemFolderPathDisplay;System.Size"
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Microsoft Internet News Message\CLSID]
@="{5645C8C0-E277-11CF-8FDA-00AA00A14F93}"
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Microsoft Internet News Message\DefaultIcon]
@=hex(2):25,00,50,00,72,00,6f,00,67,00,72,00,61,00,6d,00,46,00,69,00,6c,00,65,\
  00,73,00,25,00,5c,00,57,00,69,00,6e,00,64,00,6f,00,77,00,73,00,20,00,4d,00,\
  61,00,69,00,6c,00,5c,00,57,00,69,00,6e,00,4d,00,61,00,69,00,6c,00,2e,00,65,\
  00,78,00,65,00,2c,00,2d,00,35,00,00,00
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Microsoft Internet News Message\shell]
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Microsoft Internet News Message\shell\Forward]
@="Reply"
"MUIVerb"=hex(2):40,00,25,00,70,00,72,00,6f,00,67,00,72,00,61,00,6d,00,66,00,\
  69,00,6c,00,65,00,73,00,25,00,5c,00,57,00,69,00,6e,00,64,00,6f,00,77,00,73,\
  00,20,00,4d,00,61,00,69,00,6c,00,5c,00,57,00,69,00,6e,00,4d,00,61,00,69,00,\
  6c,00,2e,00,65,00,78,00,65,00,2c,00,2d,00,32,00,30,00,33,00,00,00
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Microsoft Internet News Message\shell\Forward\command]
@=hex(2):22,00,25,00,50,00,72,00,6f,00,67,00,72,00,61,00,6d,00,46,00,69,00,6c,\
  00,65,00,73,00,25,00,5c,00,57,00,69,00,6e,00,64,00,6f,00,77,00,73,00,20,00,\
  4d,00,61,00,69,00,6c,00,5c,00,57,00,69,00,6e,00,4d,00,61,00,69,00,6c,00,2e,\
  00,65,00,78,00,65,00,22,00,20,00,2f,00,66,00,6f,00,72,00,77,00,61,00,72,00,\
  64,00,6e,00,77,00,73,00,3a,00,25,00,31,00,00,00
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Microsoft Internet News Message\shell\open]
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Microsoft Internet News Message\shell\open\command]
@=hex(2):22,00,25,00,50,00,72,00,6f,00,67,00,72,00,61,00,6d,00,46,00,69,00,6c,\
  00,65,00,73,00,25,00,5c,00,57,00,69,00,6e,00,64,00,6f,00,77,00,73,00,20,00,\
  4d,00,61,00,69,00,6c,00,5c,00,57,00,69,00,6e,00,4d,00,61,00,69,00,6c,00,2e,\
  00,65,00,78,00,65,00,22,00,20,00,2f,00,6e,00,77,00,73,00,3a,00,25,00,31,00,\
  00,00
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Microsoft Internet News Message\shell\Reply]
@="Reply"
"MUIVerb"=hex(2):40,00,25,00,70,00,72,00,6f,00,67,00,72,00,61,00,6d,00,66,00,\
  69,00,6c,00,65,00,73,00,25,00,5c,00,57,00,69,00,6e,00,64,00,6f,00,77,00,73,\
  00,20,00,4d,00,61,00,69,00,6c,00,5c,00,57,00,69,00,6e,00,4d,00,61,00,69,00,\
  6c,00,2e,00,65,00,78,00,65,00,2c,00,2d,00,32,00,30,00,34,00,00,00
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Microsoft Internet News Message\shell\Reply\command]
@=hex(2):22,00,25,00,50,00,72,00,6f,00,67,00,72,00,61,00,6d,00,46,00,69,00,6c,\
  00,65,00,73,00,25,00,5c,00,57,00,69,00,6e,00,64,00,6f,00,77,00,73,00,20,00,\
  4d,00,61,00,69,00,6c,00,5c,00,57,00,69,00,6e,00,4d,00,61,00,69,00,6c,00,2e,\
  00,65,00,78,00,65,00,22,00,20,00,2f,00,72,00,65,00,70,00,6c,00,79,00,6e,00,\
  77,00,73,00,3a,00,25,00,31,00,00,00
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Microsoft Internet News Message\shell\ReplyAll]
@="Reply All"
"MUIVerb"=hex(2):40,00,25,00,70,00,72,00,6f,00,67,00,72,00,61,00,6d,00,66,00,\
  69,00,6c,00,65,00,73,00,25,00,5c,00,57,00,69,00,6e,00,64,00,6f,00,77,00,73,\
  00,20,00,4d,00,61,00,69,00,6c,00,5c,00,57,00,69,00,6e,00,4d,00,61,00,69,00,\
  6c,00,2e,00,65,00,78,00,65,00,2c,00,2d,00,32,00,30,00,35,00,00,00
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Microsoft Internet News Message\shell\ReplyAll\command]
@=hex(2):22,00,25,00,50,00,72,00,6f,00,67,00,72,00,61,00,6d,00,46,00,69,00,6c,\
  00,65,00,73,00,25,00,5c,00,57,00,69,00,6e,00,64,00,6f,00,77,00,73,00,20,00,\
  4d,00,61,00,69,00,6c,00,5c,00,57,00,69,00,6e,00,4d,00,61,00,69,00,6c,00,2e,\
  00,65,00,78,00,65,00,22,00,20,00,2f,00,72,00,65,00,70,00,6c,00,79,00,61,00,\
  6c,00,6c,00,6e,00,77,00,73,00,3a,00,25,00,31,00,00,00
Once applied, it should show what we already knew, everything is set to default,lol

Not to drift too off topic but does anyone know where Win 7 stores it's help and support files/data. This relates to me getting the Windows Calendar toolbarbutton to function from within Windows Mail, which I did but the Windows Calendar Help button doesn't have the appropriate Help info to appear when clicked. This may be one I will have to live with but I'm still going to try.

Update: I tested the reg file above and all worked well, closing opening, going to default programs etc.. more than once so I'm fairly sure it works. But, WinMail just now starting giving the error of not being able to initialize msoe.dll. I replaced the Win 7 MSOERES.dll with the one from Vista and all went back to working. The only thing that I've done after fixing the default programs dilema was to run todays Win Updates. So it's possible that Win Updates may have borked it, don't know for sure now and am not rolling back a snapshot just to find out since copying the Vista MSOERES.dll fixed it.
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13 Jan 2010   #182
poppa bear

Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
 
 
reg key

To GregS re:
Quote:
Here's the reg file that adds it to Default Programs control panel
Thanks for that info Greg.

I copied the reg info and pasted it into a note pad then saved as an auto exe file, ending in .reg. However, it wouldn't run, and showed the error message: "The specified file is not a registry script."

Should all of the reg info shown in your post be put into the new .reg file? If not, where does it start? And if the file created is incorrectly named, does it prevent it functioning?

Bye the bye, couldn't help much with Windows Calendar. I don't use it, and have never even tried opening the icon on the task bar of Windows Mail, hence didn't know it was a problem. I use a similar program in MS Office Enterprise.

Cheers PB
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13 Jan 2010   #183
MisOutlookXpres

Windows 7
 
 

I don't like Windows mail and liked some of the features in Ourlook Express Much better! I used to save some emails to a folder in My Documents. I cannot find any way to save emails using this new Windows Live Email. Does anyone know how to save an email other than to copy and paste it onto a word document?
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13 Jan 2010   #184
MisOutlookXpres

Windows 7
 
 

PS I'm a newbee. How will I find any answers people offer?
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13 Jan 2010   #185
poppa bear

Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
 
 
That's why WinLiveMail a No No!

To MisOutlookXpres re:
Quote:
PS I'm a newbee. How will I find any answers people offer?
Welcome to Windows 7 Forums.

Probably best to make your message a post in the "General Discussions" or "Chill Out" forums. It won't really get noticed in this forum for what you're after.

Quote:
I don't like Windows mail and liked some of the features in Ourlook Express Much better! I used to save some emails to a folder in My Documents. I cannot find any way to save emails using this new Windows Live Email. Does anyone know how to save an email other than to copy and paste it onto a word document?
That's one of the reasons why I stopped using Windows Mail Live. There were a lot more.

Like yourself I didn't like using Windows Mail after first shifting from Outlook Express. However, after hanging in there with it for awhile, and becoming familiar with the different way some things were done, there's no way I'd go back to Outlook Express. Nor sideways and down to Windows Mail Live... which in simple terms, from my point of view, is a pain in the butt. Hate the format of the main window, lack of tool bar simple use buttons; etc, etc.

Just being able to save your contacts in a data file format in Vista or Win7, instead of the compulsory Address Book in Outlook Express, which can't be opened in it's own right on the desktop of Vista or Win7 if you want to edit entries... that alone is enough to swing me over to Windows Mail. And the list goes on.

Just my humble opinion of course. But what do I know, eh?

Cheers PB
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13 Jan 2010   #186
rj mccarthy

windows 7
 
 

I have tried most of the recommendations to get Windows Mail running on W7 but failed. The message is "MSOE.DLL could not be loaded" What am I doing wrong?
I can't even get live mail to run. it opens and then shuts down "with a problem".
Fortunately Thunderbird is fine.
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13 Jan 2010   #187
poppa bear

Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
 
 

To rj mccarthy re:
Quote:
I have tried most of the recommendations to get Windows Mail running on Windows 7 but failed. The message is "MSOE.DLL could not be loaded" What am I doing wrong?
I can't even get live mail to run. it opens and then shuts down "with a problem".
Fortunately Thunderbird is fine.
Suggest first off uninstall Windows Live Mail, using Control Panel/Programs. This is an absolute necessity as it conflicts with Windows Mail.

If you're using a 64 bit operating system you'll have two sets of program files. The first one is named "x86 Program Files" and contains any 32 bit files. The 2nd is named "Program Files" and contains the operating system files. There may be Windows Mail folders and files in either or both.

I'd now suggest starting afresh with a clean slate, by removing all Windows Mail folders and files. To do this, first carefully fully read, and then use the steps in this guide, found by clicking here. Pay particular attention to the notes on 64 bit systems if you're using one.

Hope this helps. PB
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13 Jan 2010   #188
Greg S

Windows 7 Professional 32-bit (6.1, Build 7600)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by poppa bear View Post
To GregS re:
Quote:
Here's the reg file that adds it to Default Programs control panel
Thanks for that info Greg.

I copied the reg info and pasted it into a note pad then saved as an auto exe file, ending in .reg. However, it wouldn't run, and showed the error message: "The specified file is not a registry script."

Should all of the reg info shown in your post be put into the new .reg file? If not, where does it start? And if the file created is incorrectly named, does it prevent it functioning?

Bye the bye, couldn't help much with Windows Calendar. I don't use it, and have never even tried opening the icon on the task bar of Windows Mail, hence didn't know it was a problem. I use a similar program in MS Office Enterprise.

Cheers PB
Hi PB, yes all the text in the code box should be pasted into the .txt file then renamed with the .reg file extension. You can name it anything as long as the extension is .reg. I did find in the reg code posted that it's pointing to a missing CLSID so I did a comparison of both registry's again and found the missing CLSID and have added them in this file that I will upload. They're fairly small.
news.zip

After much work on the Windows Calendar Help file I admit defeat. I did find the right file in the Help folder. It's desk.h1s but it will not work since Win 7 has it's own help file desk.h1s. If I were smart enough, I could probably extract the relevant info and add it, but I'm not,lol.

Ahh, I just now noticed that the Windows Mail help file doesn't work either. I could have sworn at one time that it did, I guess not. I did find the mail.h1s help file in Vista, replaced it in Win 7 but it was a no show. I also just now rolled back to a prior snapshot, and the latest windows update will bork the two file replacement. Win 7's version of MSOERES.dll will have to be replaced with Vista version after the update. It's looking now like all file replacement is the best option, although I haven't done it yet.

Ok, I'm not working this week and have nothing better to do,lol. I've just now put back the original Win 7 Windows Mail Folder. I went into Folder Options to show the Win 7 hidden WinMail.exe. I brought up the cmd console, typed in attrib -s -h WinMail.exe and hit enter to remove the attributes. The only file I needed from Vista to make Win Mail work was msoe.dll


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14 Jan 2010   #189
poppa bear

Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
 
 

To GregS re:
Quote:
Ahh, I just now noticed that the Windows Mail help file doesn't work either. I could have sworn at one time that it did, I guess not. I did find the mail.h1s help file in Vista, replaced it in Win 7 but it was a no show. I also just now rolled back to a prior snapshot, and the latest windows update will bork the two file replacement. Win 7's version of MSOERES.dll will have to be replaced with Vista version after the update. It's looking now like all file replacement is the best option, although I haven't done it yet.

Ok, I'm not working this week and have nothing better to do,lol. I've just now put back the original Win 7 Windows Mail Folder. I went into Folder Options to show the Win 7 hidden WinMail.exe. I brought up the cmd console, typed in attrib -s -h WinMail.exe and hit enter to remove the attributes. The only file I needed from Vista to make Win Mail work was msoe.dll
Hey Greg, that's really cool work! The Windows Mail I'm using is the complete unedited Vista version I imported, and neither Win Calendar nor Help files work. Truth is I've never used either in all the time I've run WinMail in Vista, so not going to bother to fix it.

Re Windows updates borking WinMail, I had been alerted to this and mentioned it in my Techspot Guide. Same thing happens if you run system file check by typing "sfc /scannow" in Run box.

As a work around to fix this I've suggested in guide to just delete the entire non-working imported WinMail folder, and copy/paste fresh copy of full Vista WinMail folder. It's simple because you don't have to take control as was needed to delete the original WinMail folder that came with Win7. Just right click and delete whole WinMail folder and copy/paste Vista one.

For the sake of simplicity for the not so computer literate user, I've changed my guide back to importing the full Vista WinMail folder. That way it covers all bases, except Help Files and Calendar.

Re:
Quote:
After much work on the Windows Calendar Help file I admit defeat. I did find the right file in the Help folder. It's desk.h1s but it will not work since Win 7 has it's own help file desk.h1s. If I were smart enough, I could probably extract the relevant info and add it, but I'm not,lol.
Contrary to what you say about not being smart enough, I think you've done brilliant. No way I could do those registry edits. I only just recently created my first auto exe .reg file, "Windows Mail2.reg" from a post by Tangent John in another post in this forum. This is a link to his registry edit here. It's entry No 8 toward the bottom of the page.

Unless you're a computer programmer, which I'm not, I don't know how you'd ever work those out. For example, I don't know what SLID is or what it does. Nor was I aware of the run cmd "attrib -s -h WinMail.exe" to remove attributes from WinMail or what their function was or why you would need to remove them. Where do you get this kind of info? I'm impressed. You're way ahead of me.

Cheers PB

Cheers
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