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28 Mar 2010   #390
Eyas

Windows 7 x64
 
 

Quote:
Put your mouse pointer on your name and left click and go to "View public profile" and check visitor message.
I am over-thrilled.
Everything working just perfectly now.

Thanks a lot for your help.!!!!!!!!!


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28 Mar 2010   #391
poppa bear

Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Eyas View Post
Quote:
Put your mouse pointer on your name and left click and go to "View public profile" and check visitor message.
I am over-thrilled.
Everything working just perfectly now.

Thanks a lot for your help.!!!!!!!!!
You're most welcome. It might pay to keep a back up copy of your Windows 7, Windows Mail folders, in case you ever need them again.

Cheers PB
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31 Mar 2010   #392
postrophe

windows 7 64 bit
 
 
Bless You, Mark!

Thank you so much. WLM as supplied with Win 7 was driving me potty. IMAP with Gmail was an absolute nightmare - messages not downloading, messages lost into the ether and fearful lag with every operation. Delighted to be back in a Windows Mail/POP3 environment. Phew!
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01 Apr 2010   #393
Tocapet

Windows 7 Home Premium X64
 
 

Update: After seeing your post about the conflicts, I read the tutorial. Since I already had the whole thing copied over from Vista, I ran the registry update you posted and everything works.

If I have to reinstall Win7 in the future I will follow the instructions more closely. But for now, it works!! Thanks!! Now I can get rid of the buggy Outlook 2010 Beta.
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03 Apr 2010   #394
poppa bear

Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Tocapet View Post
Update: After seeing your post about the conflicts, I read the tutorial. Since I already had the whole thing copied over from Vista, I ran the registry update you posted and everything works.

If I have to reinstall Win7 in the future I will follow the instructions more closely. But for now, it works!! Thanks!! Now I can get rid of the buggy Outlook 2010 Beta.
Hey that's fantastic! I'm stoked for you. Way to go!!!.... re dumping Outlook 2010 Beta!

Cheers PB
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06 Apr 2010   #395
2CR LZW

Win7 Ult-x64
 
 
WinMail on Win7 re: Registry Key

First a thank you to Mr. Grim, the originator of this tutorial, and to the R&D skill sets of Ex_Brit and GregS (who also wrote some great code).

And a special thank you to Poppa Bear, who (even though this thread is over a year old) still continues to test and update this tutorial; & has proven to be an excellent shepherd guiding the sheep. As one who has read every post in this thread => To any one considering reinstating Windows Mail on Win7 => your in good hands.

I followed the tutorial and installed the 64bit Vista "msoe.dll" (including 28 custom made sub-folders) on a Win7Ux64 OS.

In short order, I was downloading hundreds of emails from 3 different accounts w/o any problems.

Out of curiosity, I checked to see if the following registry key (Footnote 2.) was installed:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER ==> Software ==> Classes ==> eml_auto_file ==> shell ==> open ==> command
[with a Value Data of]: "C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\winmail.exe" /eml:%1

That registry key was not installed as there is no folder named: eml_auto_file

However, I did find a similar registry key with the path:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER ==> Software ==> Classes ==> Applications ==> WinMail.exe ==> shell ==> open ==> command
: "C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\winmail.exe" %1

The folder named: ==> eml_auto_file ==>
is replaced by: ==> Applications ==> WinMail.exe ==>

& the Value Data is MISSING: ... /eml: ...

Now, for what may be a pointless question, does the key in this path, have the correct Value Data?

"C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\winmail.exe" %1

or should it be changed to the (Footnote 2.) Value Data?

"C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\winmail.exe" /eml:%1

Best regards,
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06 Apr 2010   #396
poppa bear

Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by 2CR LZW View Post
First a thank you to Mr. Grim, the originator of this tutorial, and to the R&D skill sets of Ex_Brit and GregS (who also wrote some great code).

And a special thank you to Poppa Bear, who (even though this thread is over a year old) still continues to test and update this tutorial; & has proven to be an excellent shepherd guiding the sheep. As one who has read every post in this thread => To any one considering reinstating Windows Mail on Win7 => your in good hands.

I followed the tutorial and installed the 64bit Vista "msoe.dll" (including 28 custom made sub-folders) on a Win7Ux64 OS.

In short order, I was downloading hundreds of emails from 3 different accounts w/o any problems.

Out of curiosity, I checked to see if the following registry key (Footnote 2.) was installed:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER ==> Software ==> Classes ==> eml_auto_file ==> shell ==> open ==> command
[with a Value Data of]: "C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\winmail.exe" /eml:%1

That registry key was not installed as there is no folder named: eml_auto_file

However, I did find a similar registry key with the path:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER ==> Software ==> Classes ==> Applications ==> WinMail.exe ==> shell ==> open ==> command
: "C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\winmail.exe" %1

The folder named: ==> eml_auto_file ==>
is replaced by: ==> Applications ==> WinMail.exe ==>

& the Value Data is MISSING: ... /eml: ...

Now, for what may be a pointless question, does the key in this path, have the correct Value Data?

"C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\winmail.exe" %1

or should it be changed to the (Footnote 2.) Value Data?

"C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\winmail.exe" /eml:%1

Best regards,
Hi 2CR LZW.

Thanks for your input and kind remarks.

The original edit for this registry key came from Post No 6, by tagnentjohn in a Windows Vista forum in October 2009, which can be viewed via this link here.

He also referred to the two regedit files, Windows-Mail.reg & Windows-Mail2.reg needed to allow .eml files to open on desktop. Both these regedits are included in the download WinMailEdit.zip found in Step 1 of the current modified tutorial for enabling WinMail in Windows 7. Links to download these individual files can be found in posts from xsmile here and here.

Credits are also due to both tangentjohn and xsmile as these regedits are vital to the processs.

When I first used the original tutorial by Mr. Grim, the registry key you referred to, mentioned in Footnote 2 of the current modified tutorial, was present, and did need to be modified before it was possible to open .eml files on desktop. And that was after running the other two regedits Windows-Mail.reg and Windows-Mail2.reg. I suspect it had something to do with Windows Live Mail, because when I first did the import, I already had WinLiveMail installed.

Also, Microsoft informed me that the Windows Mail folder in program files in Windows 7 was put there solely for the purpose of enabling Windows Live Mail to operate. I don't think many people realise this, or the fact that this whole business came about because of problems with fair trading rules in the European market.

However, for reasons unknown, (maybe due to WinLiveMail being updated?), I have only been able to reproduce that key once; and that was after doing a bare bones installation of Windows 7, and deliberately installing WinLiveMail. I repeated this procedure at a later date, but the registry key was not there, so it's a bit of a mystery.

Consequently I can't really comment on your statement:
Quote:
However, I did find a similar registry key with the path: HKEY_CURRENT_USER ==> Software ==> Classes ==> Applications ==> WinMail.exe ==> shell ==> open ==> command
: "C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\winmail.exe" %1

Does the key in this path, have the correct Value Data?
I guess the only way to find out would be to modify it and see if it makes any difference - after backing up the registry key of course. However, I can't really see the point if everything is already working. You know what I mean... if it ain't broke, don't fix it! Still, I must admit I'm curious! If my curiosity gets the better of me I'll try it and let you know.

I have since tried modifying this key, but it doesn't exist in my 32bit installation of Windows 7 Ultimate. I get as far as: HKEY_CURRENT_USER ==> Software ==> Classes, but there's no Applications sub-folder. And so the mystery deepens! I'm afraid it's beyond my technical capabilites to go further on this one.

The only other possibilites I can think of is that at one point there were two Windows-Mail.reg files. One was 32MB and the other 20MB. I can't locate the 20MB one anywhere, but I remember originally using it, then later replacing it with the 32MB file. Maybe that other regedit file caused the key to be installed?

The only other difference I can think of is that the original installation I did tests on was a beta version of Windows 7. Either which way, something has changed.

Cheers PB.
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07 Apr 2010   #397
2CR LZW

Win7 Ult-x64
 
 

Quote:
The original edit for this registry key came from Post No 6, by tagnentjohn in a Windows Vista forum in October 2009, which can be viewed via this link here.

He also referred to the two regedit files, Windows-Mail.reg & Windows-Mail2.reg needed to allow .eml files to open on desktop. Both these regedits are included in the download WinMailEdit.zip found in Step 1 of the current modified tutorial for enabling WinMail in Windows 7. Links to download these individual files can be found in posts from xsmile here and here.

Credits are also due to both tangentjohn and xsmile as these regedits are vital to the processs.
Hi PB.
Thank you for your more than timely response and also reminding me that I forgot to proofread my post. I wrote the text, but forgot to include two important names. The first sentence should have been:

"First a thank you to Mr. Grim, the originator of this tutorial, and to the R&D skill sets of Ex_Brit and Greg S; and to xsmile & Daniel Windows7, who also wrote some great code."

I have been following this thread for 4 months, and one can surely make a case to include more names (e.g. Brink, for publishing your updated post #317 as the default tutorial for this thread), I was mainly referring to the code in POST #292 [https://www.sevenforums.com/516625-post292.html] when I wrote the above. My intention was to highlight those who provided the original ingredients to the solution, and one would be remiss not to mention you as the humble master chef (w/ Greg S as mentor) who combined all of those ingredients into a cohesive whole.

I am unaware of the extent of tangentjohn's contribution, but as far as I can tell, he did not write any of the files used in WinMailEdit.zip. In the "Post No 6" []Solved Enabling Windows Mail in Windows 7 - Vista Forums that you reference, he doesn't name the author, yet makes clear it is not him, "Someone sent me this solution."

In this thread here [.eml attachments won't open In windows mail in 'Seven (re: .eml attachment Now opens in WinMail In Windows 7) tangentjohn credits the sevenforums member: Daniel Windows7:
"Thank YOU, so VERY much! I don't have a clue how you guys figure out these Registry edit solutions. But however you do it I appreciate it. I've made many a fix thanks to someone else's genius."
in response to this post:
Daniel Windows7 Solution: eml windows mail
Hi, Ok my english is not really good but I had the same problem as you and I found a solution.
Click on Start and click on Run. Type regedit and click ok.
Go to:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\eml_auto_file\shell\open\command
Double click on Default in right pane and change Value Data for exactly that:
"C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\winmail.exe" /eml:%1
and click ok. That's it, enjoy !
English skills notwithstanding, that post is almost verbatim re: Footnote 2. in the Tutorial. In the same thread, Daniel Windows7 (seen as the threads "guru"), adds additional instructions to the above post; (and also provides this reg file: emlautofile.reg). As a result, I think Daniel Windows7, deserves to be included in the tutorial credits.

Re: Quote: "the two regedit files [...] needed to allow .eml files to open on desktop."
Both Windows-Mail.reg & Windows-Mail2.reg files, as far as I can tell, were worked out and coded by xsmile. Some snippets from the link you provided [Can't Make Windows Mail Default makes that clear:
xsmile post #32 "I attached a registry file which assigns Windows Mail to 'mailto' links and besides imports all necessary registry keys used by Windows Mail."; xsmile #35 "I updated the registry file."; xsmile #41 "I will try to extend my registry file."; xsmile #43 "Try this registry file. It is an addition to the first one." [to which: Ex_Brit #44 responds, "... Thanks for all [your] help!!"; techs #53 responds, "You, sir, are a steely eyed computer guru!"]; xsmile #45 "At least one step close. I forgot to include one small registry key. Please download the first attachment again" [to which Ex_Brit #46 responds, "Eureka..!! It finally worked. Thanks very much xsmile!!"]; xsmile #47 "I'm glad it worked! One thing is still missing though."; & mutant #54 "Thanks xsmile for the registry files they helped eliminate my windows problems."
As a result, I think xsmile, deserves the credit for: Windows-Mail.reg & Windows-Mail2.reg. I'm not sure what % of WinMailEdit.zip is the work of xsmile, but I suspect it is substantial.
Note: For other files (including: xsmile.exe) worked out using the same MO and coded by xsmile go here []Disable PowerMizer **Tested** - Page 7 Re: his app: Powermizer Switch - get the most out of your video card.

Soon, I hope to post some information re: a similar registry key with the path: HKEY_CURRENT_USER ==> Software ==> Classes ==> Applications ==> WinMail.exe ==> shell ==> open ==> command: "C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\winmail.exe" %1

Thanks again for all of your work, it is greatly appreciated! 2CR LZW
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08 Apr 2010   #398
poppa bear

Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by 2CR LZW View Post
Hi PB.
Thank you for your more than timely response and also reminding me that I forgot to proofread my post.

Thanks again for all of your work, it is greatly appreciated! 2CR LZW
Hi 2CR LZW.

I haven't reproduced your whole post as a quote as it is fairly long, and it is there for all to see.

All I can really say is : Wow, I'm blown away!


Many thanks for all that input. You certainly have done your homework and correctly isolated the original file creators, and given due credit where deserved. Especially:
  • Mr. Grim the originator
  • Daniel Windows7 for the manual registry edit
  • Brink for publishing the updated post #317
You referred to Post #292, which you correctly stated is the code for WinMailEdit with credits to:
  • xsmile for the two WinMail.reg and WinMail2.reg regedits
  • Greg S for the regedit to remove an (x86) registry key
  • Ex_Brit for the regedit to remove the splash screen at start-up, which was posted as manual regedit & changed to an auto-exe regedit file by yours truly.
All in all it's been a true forum team effort. And it's hard to single out any one individual person as most outstanding. He'd probably disagree but I would have to say that certainly the single most important credit in the modified tutorial goes to:
  • Greg S for the the research done by him in isolating the msoe.dll file as the only necessary file to import from Vista; and also isolating and resolving any conflicts betwen this file and Windows 7.
This change alone removed so many conflicts from unnecessary Vista files; made the import so much simpler; and allowed persons who did not have Vista to enable WinMail.

He also isolated and developed the WinCal regeidt
I'll be interested to see the results of your research into the registry key you mentioned at the end of your post

Cheers PB
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08 Apr 2010   #399
Scorpionking259

Windows 7
 
 
windows mail

I have installed windows mail for windows 7 as per your instructions but
> the icon will not open... when i go to do the registry manually the link
> after classes....eml_auto_file is not there?? Please let me know what i
> am doing wrong.. i went and did it 3 times with no outcome.... Thanks Rick
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