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Windows 7: Windows Mail

03 May 2010   #430
Bob M W

 
Didn't work for me!

I tried to follow Poppa Bears' directions, but somewhere in that "do-this", "but wait, not yet" rather convoluted algorithm I must have gone astray or my old eyes missed something. When got to the end and tried RUNNING the WinMail Shortcut, my system locked up BIG TIME (constant hour glass and NOTHING would close). I had to do a hard shut down using the power switch - Even the xKill and CNTRL+ALT+Delete would not work and the taskmaster would not close (a frequent problem seen in a lot of apps with this new Win7!). I couldn't even get the damn thing into safe mode. It'd just load the drivers and then sit on "please wait" forever!

After a half dozen attempts I finally got in to Task manager and found morethan 40 "winmail.exe" files running in PROCESSES. I managed to back out and get both the reg and X86 WINMAIL folders from the PROGRAM FILES folders-quarantined on to another drive and I'm back to Windows Live Mail --- so far. At this point I have no idea which msoe.dll file is old, or new, or 32X or 64X; it's all a big mess now.

I REALLY hate Windows LIVE mail because I have 7 mail accounts and dealing with over 42 mail boxes is a real PAIN. And having to go hunt thru all 7 junk folders to see what it might have mislabeled is a chore for my old eyes and then some.

Can Poppa Bear, or anyone, help me out of this mess? BTW, there was NO registry entry as described in directions. No such registry entry exist on my machine so that thru me off the track right there. What do I do?

This is a HP DV9500 laptop running (two weeks ago) Vista SP2 64X and I "upgraded" to Windows 7. I am beginning to think that the upgrade (versus a clean wipe and a fresh new OS) was a bad idea. I've had nothing but slow responses, whiteout screens, lock ups and blue screen crashes ever since I did the "upgrade". Definitely NOT an improvement! Suggestions? Help?

The software history on this machine may help: it originally came with XP home basic, then I went yo Vista 43 home premium, then to Ultimate Vista 32, then upgraded to Vista SP2 X64 and just last week I upgraded again to Windows 7 Ultimate X64. I think that instead of solving problems, I just compounded them and brought them along with me.

I would appreciate any help on the immediate problem of the WinMail versus WinLiveMail and any ideas or suggestion on the over all poor performance of the OS.

I have an Intel T7500 chip set @ 2.2 Ghz and 4 GB RAM with 1.5 TB drive space.

Thank you,

Bob


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03 May 2010   #431
poppa bear

Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
 
 

To: Bob M W.

I can't offer any definite explanation as to why this problem has occurred. However, there is one possible solution you could try.

Re:
Quote:
BTW, there was NO registry entry as described in directions. No such registry entry exist on my machine so that thru me off the track right there. What do I do?
I assume you're referring to the registry entry mentioned in Footnote 2. If this registry key does not exist, simply ignore this footnote. It will not make any difference to the import process.

Re:
Quote:
After a half dozen attempts I finally got in to Task manager and found morethan 40 "winmail.exe" files running in PROCESSES.
There are two Windows Mail folders in 64bit Windows 7.
  • One in the normal 64bit Program files
  • One in the 32bit Program files(x86) --> See Footnote 3 of the tutorial.
The problem of multiple WinMail.exe files shown running in processes could be caused by repeatedly trying to:

1. Open WinMail.exe file in Windows Mail folder in 32bit Program files(x86).

2. Open WinMail.exe file in Windows Mail folder in 64bit Program files when the wrong msoe.dll file has
been imported.

- WinMail.exe in 32bit Program Files(x86) will never work under any circumstances in 64bit Windows 7.

- WinMail.exe in 64bit Program files also won't work with the wrong msoe.dll file.

Repeatedly clicking WinMail.exe would be like trying to run 40 applications simultaneously. This would freeze your sytem by overloading your RAM. And it will stay this way until these processes are stopped; which can be done by simply logging off and back on, or by killing it in Task Manager.


Quote:
At this point I have no idea which msoe.dll file is old, or new, or 32X or 64X; it's all a big mess now.
Even if you have put the wrong msoe.dll file in the Windows Mail folder, all you need to do to fix it is:
  • download the 64bit msoe.dll file from the second link at the beginning of step 4.
  • Use this downloaded msoe.dll file to replace the existing msoe.dll file in the Windows Mail folder in the normal 64bit Program Files.
  • Do not touch the Windows Mail folder in the 32bit Program files(x86).
  • Now run the WinMail.exe in the Windows Mail folder in the 64bit Program files.
If this doesn't work, the only other suggestion would be to replace both the 32 & 64bit Windows Mail folders with the original Windows Mail folders that came with Windows 7, and start the import process from scratch.

Hope this helps. Let me know how you get on.

Cheers PB
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03 May 2010   #432
roncerr

Windows 8 Pro w/MC 32-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Bob M W View Post
I am beginning to think that the upgrade (versus a clean wipe and a fresh new OS) was a bad idea.
Yes. You want to do a clean install (Microsoft calls it a "custom" install.) You should be able to do that with "upgrade" media. Note that if you do that you won't have to download WLM in the first place since the "Windows Mail" folder is provided by Windows 7; it just needs the fixes our guru (PA Bear) suggested.
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04 May 2010   #433
MaximusCommodus

Windows 7 - 64 bit Home Premium
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by poppa bear View Post
To: Bob M W.

I can't offer any definite explanation as to why this problem has occurred. However, there is one possible solution you could try.

Re:
Quote:
BTW, there was NO registry entry as described in directions. No such registry entry exist on my machine so that thru me off the track right there. What do I do?
I assume you're referring to the registry entry mentioned in Footnote 2. If this registry key does not exist, simply ignore this footnote. It will not make any difference to the import process.

Re:
Quote:
After a half dozen attempts I finally got in to Task manager and found morethan 40 "winmail.exe" files running in PROCESSES.
There are two Windows Mail folders in 64bit Windows 7.
  • One in the normal 64bit Program files
  • One in the 32bit Program files(x86) --> See Footnote 3 of the tutorial.
The problem of multiple WinMail.exe files shown running in processes could be caused by repeatedly trying to:

1. Open WinMail.exe file in Windows Mail folder in 32bit Program files(x86).

2. Open WinMail.exe file in Windows Mail folder in 64bit Program files when the wrong msoe.dll file has
been imported.

- WinMail.exe in 32bit Program Files(x86) will never work under any circumstances in 64bit Windows 7.

- WinMail.exe in 64bit Program files also won't work with the wrong msoe.dll file.

Repeatedly clicking WinMail.exe would be like trying to run 40 applications simultaneously. This would freeze your sytem by overloading your RAM. And it will stay this way until these processes are stopped; which can be done by simply logging off and back on, or by killing it in Task Manager.


Quote:
At this point I have no idea which msoe.dll file is old, or new, or 32X or 64X; it's all a big mess now.
Even if you have put the wrong msoe.dll file in the Windows Mail folder, all you need to do to fix it is:
  • download the 64bit msoe.dll file from the second link at the beginning of step 4.
  • Use this downloaded msoe.dll file to replace the existing msoe.dll file in the Windows Mail folder in the normal 64bit Program Files.
  • Do not touch the Windows Mail folder in the 32bit Program files(x86).
  • Now run the WinMail.exe in the Windows Mail folder in the 64bit Program files.
If this doesn't work, the only other suggestion would be to replace both the 32 & 64bit Windows Mail folders with the original Windows Mail folders that came with Windows 7, and start the import process from scratch.

Hope this helps. Let me know how you get on.

Cheers PB
..................................first of all reformat hard drive to new OS Windows 7 .....................
1) install Take ownership.zip
2) delete MSOE.dll file from Windows 7 in folder Win mail 64
3) install MSOE.dll file 64 bit to document and copy to Windows 7 Win Mail folder you can use USB Flash Driver
4)
  • Go to: Start Orb ==> Computer ==> C: Drive ==> Program Files ==> Open: Windows Mail ==> Top Task Bar ==> Tools ==> Drop down menu ==> Folder Options ==> View Tab
  • Dot: Show hidden files, folders...
  • Untick: Hide empty drives... Hide extensions... Hide protected operating...
  • In response to the warning click: Yes ==> Apply ==> OK.
5)Don't go to Registry you won't find the file !!!!!!!!!!!
6) Very importante is taking control over folders and files !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...........Call Parental Control in Windows 7.....because you have take care of this file WinMail.dll.mui.............when you have folders and files under control as user copy file WinMail.exe to desktop as Icon and Enjoy WinMail in Windows 7................ it's working and I hate Windows Live Mail..................good luck
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05 May 2010   #434
roncerr

Windows 8 Pro w/MC 32-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MaximusCommodus View Post
..................................first of all reformat hard drive to new OS Windows 7 .....................
1) install Take ownership.zip
2) delete MSOE.dll file from Windows 7 in folder Win mail 64
3) install MSOE.dll file 64 bit to document and copy to Windows 7 Win Mail folder you can use USB Flash Driver





4)
  • Go to: Start Orb ==> Computer ==> C: Drive ==> Program Files ==> Open: Windows Mail ==> Top Task Bar ==> Tools ==> Drop down menu ==> Folder Options ==> View Tab
  • Dot: Show hidden files, folders...
  • Untick: Hide empty drives... Hide extensions... Hide protected operating...
  • In response to the warning click: Yes ==> Apply ==> OK.
What about the first step in the original instructions? (Shouldn't this first step be done right after the reformat/WindowsUpate/driver stuff and just before the take ownership process):

"1. Download and run the attachment: WinMailEdit.zip.

*Warning: It is critical to do this before carrying out steps (3) & (4). This auto exe file edits the registry to allow .eml files to be opened on the desktop; removes the WinMail splash screen at start-up; and resolves various conflicts."
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05 May 2010   #435
poppa bear

Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
 
 

To Maximus Commodus re:
Quote:
  • Go to: Start Orb ==> Computer ==> C: Drive ==> Program Files ==> Open: Windows Mail ==> Top Task Bar ==> Tools ==> Drop down menu ==> Folder Options ==> View Tab
  • Dot: Show hidden files, folders...
  • Untick: Hide empty drives... Hide extensions... Hide protected operating...
  • In response to the warning click: Yes ==> Apply ==> OK.
You don't need to do the above commands if you carry out Step 2 of the main tutorial post and use the Run command to remove attributes. This is purely to make the WinMail.exe file visible in the Windows Mail folder.

Manually making files visible is only necessary if removing attributes doesn't work, which happens in some environments - See Footnote 4 of main tutorial post on the first page of this thread.

Re roncerr:
Quote:
What about the first step in the original instructions? (Shouldn't this first step be done right after the reformat/WindowsUpate/driver stuff and just before the take ownership process):

"1. Download and run the attachment: WinMailEdit.zip.
You're aboslutely right roncerr. In some environments if the WinMailEdit.zip is not run first, running it later may bork the procedure.

It appears that Maximus Commodus has copied parts of a post made during the evolvement stages of the final modified tutorial.

The modified tutorial shown at the very beginning of this thread is the final version which has removed all the bugs and streamlined the process. This method has been tested and proven to work in 32 & 64bit Windows 7 installations. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

Cheers PB
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11 May 2010   #436
NoN

Windows 7 Professional SP1 - x64 [Non-UEFI Boot]
 
 

Does anyone that have install the:Microsoft Security Bulletin MS10-030 - Critical: Vulnerability in Outlook Express and Windows Mail Could Allow Remote Code Execution (978542)

could run the windows Mail in 7 ???

Since this update is for Windows Live Mail, Outlook, and Windows Mail, it's looks like it had replaced by the original 7 msoe.dll file, in both x86 and x64 folder....

I can't run it anymore and have to reinstall the msoe.dll again.
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11 May 2010   #437
Ex_Brit

Win 7 Ult SP1/Win 10 Pro (all x64)
 
 

It appears that the update today broke Windows Mail. I don't have time to start fiddling with it right now but can someone officially say what the fix would be?
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11 May 2010   #438
NoN

Windows 7 Professional SP1 - x64 [Non-UEFI Boot]
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post
It appears that the update today broke Windows Mail. I don't have time to start fiddling with it right now but can someone officially say what the fix would be?
You'll have to reinstate the msoe.dll again...I've done it in "safe mode" and it's working by now!
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11 May 2010   #439
Greg S

Windows 7 Professional 32-bit (6.1, Build 7600)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by NoN View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post
It appears that the update today broke Windows Mail. I don't have time to start fiddling with it right now but can someone officially say what the fix would be?
You'll have to reinstate the msoe.dll again...I've done it in "safe mode" and it's working by now!
I just updated and restarted. No problems here. WinMail working as it did before the update.
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