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14 Jun 2010   #580
Ex_Brit

Win 7 Ult SP1/Win 10 Pro (all x64)
 
 

I really think that as this thread is entitled: How to Reinstate Windows Mail on Windows 7, shouldn't we be sticking to that rather than discussing the merits and foibles of another mail client. Maybe they should be split off into a new thread for that purpose?


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14 Jun 2010   #581
poppa bear

Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post
I really think that as this thread is entitled: How to Reinstate Windows Mail on Windows 7, shouldn't we be sticking to that rather than discussing the merits and foibles of another mail client. Maybe they should be split off into a new thread for that purpose?
Yeah, well said and have to agree it's time to get back On-Topic, and am willing to admit I'm probably the main offender for the side-tracks.

Also a good idea if someone could start a new thread on Windows Live Mail?

Cheers pB
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14 Jun 2010   #582
poppa bear

Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by roncerr View Post
If you want to know what Microsoft means by "Photo Email" use the help link in WLM. Apparently it involves storing the full sized photo(s) on their server and attaching a "thumbnail link" to the email. If the recipient wants to have the full sized version they save it by going to Microsoft's servers using the thumbnail link and downloading it.
Thanks for that info roncerr. It's not the kind of service I would ever be involved in. As I said in an earlier post, I disabled any interactive elements in WinLiveMail. If I want to offer that kind of info I'd just use an upload web base like TinyPic.com or Uploading.com. However, I will have a look in order to increase my knowldge base.

Update: Checked out Photo Email and now understand what you're saying. Basically the photos in an email are stored on a Microsoft web site, and upgraded. The recipient of the email only sees thumbnails of the photos, and must go to the web site to see the full size photos and download them.

I can't really see the point of that service. My photos are upgraded and edited before I send them out, and I don't like the idea my personal photos being held on their web site. What's more, why upload them to MS and then download them at the other end, when you can upload them direct to the recipient?

Cheers PB
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14 Jun 2010   #583
roncerr

Windows 8 Pro w/MC 32-bit
 
 

If you want to send all your friends all the pictures of your vacation in full res, their email client will be slowed down or the file size would not be allowed by either yours or their ISP. With Photo Mail they all get to see the thumbnails and can selectively download the hi-res photos. I also agree we're getting off-topic and if anyone asks a question about why the tutorial exists, either point them to earlier posts or to a new "comparison" topic.
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14 Jun 2010   #584
poppa bear

Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by roncerr View Post
If you want to send all your friends all the pictures of your vacation in full res, their email client will be slowed down or the file size would not be allowed be either yours or their ISP. With Photo Mail they all get to see the thumbnails and can selectively download the hi-res photos. I also agree we're getting off-topic and if anyone asks a question about why the tutorial exists, either point them to earlier posts or to a new "comparison" topic.
That's a fair point, and must admit that in past situations where the file size was excessive I've used TinyPic.com or Uploading.com to upload pics to their site, and just sent the link to my friends. Most times I just send them in standard def and have sent batches of up to 40 pics zipped without problems.

Anyhows, better finish this discussion here as agreed it's off-topic. Good feed-back though.

Cheers PB
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15 Jun 2010   #585
acensor

Win 7 Premium, Vista Ultimate, XP Pro
 
 
Wait - Dosen't WLM *CLIENT* store ON local PC?

Someone (Ronccer?) wrote --
"...I also use it only for email but I do one more thing with it. I save certain emails and of course my contacts on my computer so that I will always have them even when there is no [COLOR=#0072bc! important][COLOR=#0072bc! important]internet [COLOR=#0072bc! important]access[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR]. I've been saving emails since 2001. My brother, for his law practice, left all his emails on yahoo.com email. One day they were all gone and replaced with spam. Yahoo told him "sorry you must have been hijacked by somone who guessed your password...use a better password". That can't happen to me if I keep my emails and contacts on my computer and make backups. It doesn't matter if Microsoft looses them or I loose internet connectivity since I have them. So I send, receive, and SAVE with my email client..."

Are we all talking about the same software here? I'm a bit confused.
(Pls understand I've only spent about 5 minutes inside WLM-client, but trying to decide if it will meet my needs {which were and are well met by Outlook Express and Windows Mail} -- and are basically to (a) not have to access or depend on a website {webmail} to access or store my old email or addresses} and (b) send and receive email with and without attachments, search old stored email, etc.).

So when Ronccer(?) (or maybe it was elsewhere on this thread) talks about having having to jump through extra hoops to force WLM to store his mail on his local PC, I HOPE he's talking about WLM-webmail, not WLM-client. Right?
Doesn't the optional downloadable WLM-client, like any POP email client automatically keep received emails and of course the address book on the local machine? Or is it some weird client that's a hybrid of webmail and local client?
Or is my confusion because I always use POP and someone was talking about using IMAP in the mail client to talk to their email account (and IIRR IMAP basically leaves mail out on the server)?

Can anyone unconfuse me so I know if the WLM-client is a real local client -- or whether (to bring this back to on-topic) I'd need to get the Vista Windows Mail, or some non-microsoft mail client) running under Win7 to have that?

Alex
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15 Jun 2010   #586
poppa bear

Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by acensor View Post
Someone (Ronccer?) wrote --
"...I also use it only for email but I do one more thing with it. I save certain emails and of course my contacts on my computer so that I will always have them even when there is no [COLOR=#0072bc! important][COLOR=#0072bc! important]internet [COLOR=#0072bc! important]access[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR]. I've been saving emails since 2001. My brother, for his law practice, left all his emails on yahoo.com email. One day they were all gone and replaced with spam. Yahoo told him "sorry you must have been hijacked by somone who guessed your password...use a better password". That can't happen to me if I keep my emails and contacts on my computer and make backups. It doesn't matter if Microsoft looses them or I loose internet connectivity since I have them. So I send, receive, and SAVE with my email client..."

Are we all talking about the same software here? I'm a bit confused.
(Pls understand I've only spent about 5 minutes inside WLM-client, but trying to decide if it will meet my needs {which were and are well met by Outlook Express and Windows Mail} -- and are basically to (a) not have to access or depend on a website {webmail} to access or store my old email or addresses} and (b) send and receive email with and without attachments, search old stored email, etc.).

So when Ronccer(?) (or maybe it was elsewhere on this thread) talks about having having to jump through extra hoops to force WLM to store his mail on his local PC, I HOPE he's talking about WLM-webmail, not WLM-client. Right?
Doesn't the optional downloadable WLM-client, like any POP email client automatically keep received emails and of course the address book on the local machine? Or is it some weird client that's a hybrid of webmail and local client?
Or is my confusion because I always use POP and someone was talking about using IMAP in the mail client to talk to their email account (and IIRR IMAP basically leaves mail out on the server)?

Can anyone unconfuse me so I know if the WLM-client is a real local client -- or whether (to bring this back to on-topic) I'd need to get the Vista Windows Mail, or some non-microsoft mail client) running under Win7 to have that?

Alex
Hi Alex,

I have been using Windows Live Mail now for over three weeks as my default mail client, and do not use it as a web based client such as HotMail, etc. My emails are received either at the web mail site of Yahoo or my ISP, and auto transferred from there to WinLiveMail.

In addition I never log into Windows Live so the web based functions are irrelevant.

1. Contacts are retained on the hard drive via the following pathway, (you need to allow hidden folders to be seen to follow the path shown):

Start Orb --> User Name --> AppData --> Local --> Microsoft --> Windows Live Contacts.

2. Received and sent emails are auto downloaded and stored on your hard drive under AppData, the same location used by WinMail. The only differnece is WinLiveMail stores them in the individual Accounts folders, whereas WinMail stores them in one folder named Local Folders. This pathway shows where they are stored:

Start Orb --> User Name --> AppData --> Local --> Microsoft --> Windows Live Mail --> Account Name (eg "Alex", or whatever name you give you account)

3. Emails can be viewed, edited, and moved around in or from sub-folders of the Accounts folders in the left panel of the main window of WinLiveMail. In other words, you can do all the same functions with them that you can in WinMail or Outlook.

Sub-folders include the normal Inbox, Sent Items, etc.

4. You do not need to log in to Windows Live in any form.

5. When emails are exported from WinMail and imported into WLM they are stored in sub-folders of Storage Folders in the left panel of WLM main window.

6. If you export your accounts from Outlook and save them to a folder on your desktop, when you import them to Accounts in WLM, they are set up ready to use with you user name and password already in them. See post here.

Apart from changes in the view format, and location of command buttons, as far as I'm concerned there is absolutely no difference to using Windows Mail. In fact now that I'm used to it, I prefer it to Windows Mail. It has more options than WinMail, and is much easier to set up accounts. All you need put in is your ISP user name and password and it fills in the POP3 & SMTP protocol. And will direct you to links for accounts that use IMAP such as GMail to show how to set it up. It also has a lot more colors for text, plus emoticons, etc.

If you want any help in using it, private message me and I'll walk you through it. PMs can be sent by clicking on the user name at the top left of this post; in my case, "Poppa Bear".

Update: Re roncerr's statement in the post below
Quote:
Yes. But it also logs in to Live website where your normal online contacts are stored. We should start a new thread about WLM annoyances, but there are 3 contact lists: online (default), working offline, and Explorer Contacts. I'd suggest experimenting with the WLM client and contact lists before using it.
His statement is true that the contacts are stored in a web base, and there could be discrepancies between the web list and the list on your hard drive. However, from a practical point of view it makes no difference if you're using WinLiveMail purely as a mail client, because it doesn't log into those contacts unless you log onto Windows Live, or send a specific "Photo e-mail"; which is different to simply sending photos as normal attachments.

At start up of WLM you can choose an option to turn on/off a prompt to log onto Windows Live. This option is found here:

Open: WinLiveMail --> Tools --> Options (Menu Bar) --> Connection tab --> Click either: Sign in/Stop signing in --> Apply --> OK

You can demonstrate that your contacts are stored on the hard drive by turning off your modem and opening WinLiveMail. The contacts are accessible via the Contact button, in the bottom left panel of the main window of WLM.

I keep all my contacts copied to a normal folder and stored on the hard drive as well as in Contacts. To do this, all you do is go to the Contacts folder:

Start Orb --> User Name --> Contacts --> Highlight all your contacts and copy/paste to a normal folder.

To import your contacts from the Contacts folder to WinLiveMail is simple:

Open WinLiveMail --> Contacts --> File --> Import --> Address book for current windows user. You're done.

Hope this helps. Cheers PB
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15 Jun 2010   #587
roncerr

Windows 8 Pro w/MC 32-bit
 
 
Wait - Dosen't WLM *CLIENT* store ON local PC?

Yes. But it also logs in to Live website where your normal online contacts are stored. We should start a new thread about WLM annoyances, but there are 3 contact lists: signed-in, not-signed-in, and Explorer Contacts. I'd suggest experimenting with the WLM client and contact lists before using it.

To add to the confusion, you also have the ability to "work offline". It appears that the signed-in and not-signed-in contact lists remain unaffected except that the lack of internet access will prevent the web-based version of signed-in from syncing with the local version of signed-in.
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15 Jun 2010   #588
roncerr

Windows 8 Pro w/MC 32-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by poppa bear View Post

...Re roncerr's statement in the post below...It is true the contacts are stored in a web base, but from a practical point of view it makes no difference unless a contact is lost from the web base, in which case you simply reinstall it from your off line contacts under start Orb --> User Name --> Contacts.

I keep all my contacts copied to a normal folder and stored on the hard drive as well as in Contacts. To do this, all you do is highlight all your contacts in Contact folder and copy/paste to a normal folder.

To import your contacts from the Contact folder it's simple:

Open WinLiveMail --> Contacts (bottom left panel) --> File --> Import --> Address book for current windows user. You're done.
The problem is WLM doesn't use "Explorer Contacts" by default. Any additions or deletions made to the default (web based) list are NOT automatically reflected in either the "not-singned-in-work-offline" contact list or the "Contacts" list in Windows Explorer. It looks like you have to keep importing/exporting things around to keep them the same. Without extra effort the 3 lists will easily diverge from one another. So to bring things back to the topic of "Windows Vista Mail on Windows 7", that may be the only way to use only one contact list which resides only in one place on your PC, if that is what you want. (At least until MS figures out how to keep the 3 lists synced.)

From 13 months ago: http://forums.cnet.com/5208-19169_10...hreadID=343001

Update: Poppa Bear's posts indicate that you can use WLM without using web based contacts: Don't "sign-in". (Use the connection option for that.) However they are not those in the "Explorer Contacts" folder used by WM but are built in to the WLM client and are only visible when not "signed in" (which BTW is different from not having internet access or working offline).
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16 Jun 2010   #589
acensor

Win 7 Premium, Vista Ultimate, XP Pro
 
 
Replying to Poppabear

Hi,
Your detailed post in reply to my "" post is exactly what I wanted to know -- plus surely future useful info on where WLM-client stores it's stuff.

Much thanks!

You wrote "6. If you export your accounts from Outlook and save them to a folder on your desktop, when you import them to Accounts in WLM, they are set up ready to use with you user name and password already in them. See post here."

I'll be surely trying to export contacts and massive amounts of old email from Windows Mail on a Vista computer, and then probably trying to inport it into WLM-client on a clean install of Win7 (rather than doing an upgrade of Win-7 onto my Vista machine.)

I'm sure there are many tutorials on that particular export then import route, but if you can point me to one and tell me any glaring caveats, I'd appreciate it.

Alex
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