Windows Mail

LOL, thanks. I was taught by one of the other MVP's ages ago before I got my "promotion".

What with you recommending the Victoria Cross and someone over at the McAfee forums suggesting I should be awarded a Sainthood.....I'm not sure what to say except all the best & thank you very much!!

poppa bear said:

fastexpert said:

NoN said:

There's nothing technical to paste the OESpamFilter.dat....just do it!
Since the OESpamFilter.dll should exist in both folder.....
It is just a recommendation to filter your mails

Do you have got the junk mail filter to work? I have not got it to run in Windows 7. Even not if I copy the files "OESpamFilter.dat" and "OESpamFilter.dll" from Vista into folder "C:\Programs\Windows Mail" of Windows 7.

To the best of my knowledge no one has been able to get it to work.

PB

I can't get it work properly as by now i haven't got the actual x64 OESpamFilter.dat...But looks some as Ex_Brit are quite hardy on that rule!

i prefer the rules on some specifics words attach to the line

I've got "Mc Afee Anti-Spam Filter" to work since the beginning in did reinstate the Windows Mail on my 7....as Windows Live Mail couldn't bear with my AV.

But here the OESpamFilter.dll as it looks like they're not include in the WINMAIL folder In Win 7....Just add the OESpamFilter.dat everytime MS renew it.

steelgtr said:

poppa,

This is a HP desktop that already took the update.

I'm taking the 64bit msoe file with me on a zip drive. Do I take ownership of that file before I replace it in the winmail(64) folder?

thx

bob

Hi Bob,

This is what you need to do on your parent's laptop:

• Run the Take Ownership regedit file.
• Open Windows Mail folder in normal 64bit Program Files... NOT Program files(x86)
• Right click the existing msoe.dll file
• In the drop down menu click: Take Ownership
• Delete the existing msoe.dll file.
• Paste the msoe.dll from you zip file into the Windows Mail folder to replace the deleted one.
• Reboot the computer.

Warning: If it won't allow you to delete the existing msoe.dll file after you have taken ownership, you will need to manually "Take Full Control" as per Footnote 4 from the tutorial.

I'm assuming you will be able to access the internet to use the tutorial if you have to. If not, it may pay to copy Footnote 4 and take it with you on the zip drive. Also you will need to take the Take Ownership regedit file.

Good luck. PB

Just gleaned this off the MVP Newsgroups. There is a concern that using dll's from Vista, whether patched or not, could lead to vulnerabilities and it points out that it possible to get patched dll's from Microsoft.

Edit: Oops the link didn't work... so here is the text:

Recently a patch (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978542) was released that addressed a security issue in Windows Mail. Those using Windows Mail in Windows 7 found that Windows Mail no longer functioned properly, as they had hacked the program by replacing the msoe.dll file with one from Vista, thereby de-crippling Windows Mail so it would then function as client application. When the update was applied, the hacked msoe.dll was replaced by a new Windows 7 version of the dll, which again crippled Windows Mail.

The obvious solution was to replace the dll with the Vista dll again, which then restored the functionality. However, replacing the Win7 patched dll with the Vista unpatched dll, resorts in ther user being subject to the security vulnerability. The user would be more likely to have protection against the vulnerability, if they used the patched Vista msoe.dll (although there is no guarantee that that version will in fact protect in Win7, as the scenario is untested).

Some have posted links to non-Microsoft websites in order for those who wish to obtain the patched Vista versions of the msoe.dll. However, one can question the security of such websites and the files they provide as well as consider that Microsoft does not support distribution of its dlls.

Consequently, it is best if the user obtains the patched dlls from Microsoft directly. For the given KB article referenced above, the files can be downloaded here:

http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/search.aspx?q=kb978542

To extract the dlls from the downloaded files see:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928636

In the future, this situation will occur everytime Windows Mail is patched in Windows 7, as msoe.dll will be replaced each time. So in the future, anyone who is hacking Windows 7 by replacing msoe.dll from Vista, will continue to have to get the patched version of the Vista dll and replace it, as in this situation.

steve

MS-MVP
Outlook Express / Windows Mail

Greg S said:

Ex_Brit said:

poppa bear said:

To the best of my knowledge no one has been able to get it to work.

PB

I got it work OK by applying a rule that if the from line does not contain any of my addresses in my contact list then move it to the Junk E-Mail folder and it works, but without a rule, you are right, it doesn't work.

Correct me if I"m wrong but the rule/rules you create is the only ones enforced. The vista spam files are not used. Message rules and spam filter are two different workings

Hi Greg,

Off topic: Sorry never got your PM from two weeks back until a few days ago as I was not auto alerted to it, and didn't know it was there until I went there to send a PM. Have since replied.

From my limited knowledge you're right. How exactly do the Vista SPAM filters work? I've only ever manually selected and stored a list of mail senders to send to the junk mail folder after I've received emails.

From a generic point of view my understanding was there were two types of SPAM filters. The first type does what I've mentioned above.

The second type would respond to SPAM by asking the sender for a confirmation, which wouldn't be forthcoming as the original message was computer generated. On this basis it would then delete/store in junk folder depending on which option was selected.

I guess a third type would be where you list addresses with your ISP who would block them being stored on your Webmail in-box.

To Ex_Brit re:

Edit: Oops the link didn't work... so here is the text:

Yep, I tried both links and neither worked. The guy who responded to my email contacts with MS Aust was named Steve... wonder if it's the same guy? I'll email him again.

By the way, by using the method you so kindly explained to me, that wouldn't delete any emails that aren't in the list, but store them in the junk email folder? There are mega places that have my email addy but they aren't in my contacts list, such as government agencies, medical places, and program update providers like Avast who advise you annually when you're program needs to be re-registered.

Cheers PB

Yep, I tried both links and neither worked. The guy who responded to my email contacts with MS Aust was named Steve... wonder if it's the same guy? I'll email him again.

By the way, by using the method you so kindly explained to me, that wouldn't delete any emails that aren't in the list, but store them in the junk email folder? There are mega places that have my email addy but they aren't in my contacts list, such as government agencies, medical places, and program update providers like Avast who advise you annually when you're program needs to be re-registered.

Cheers PB

The odd emails are bound to go into your junk mail. Just simply right click and mark them as OK and/or move them to your inbox if desired. Don't keep emails stores in there anyway so it shouldn't be a problem.