Windows 7 Forums

Welcome to Windows 7 Forums. Our forum is dedicated to helping you find support and solutions for any problems regarding your Windows 7 PC be it Dell, HP, Acer, Asus or a custom build. We also provide an extensive Windows 7 tutorial section that covers a wide range of tips and tricks.


Windows 7: User Account Password - Change from WinRE

26 Mar 2010   #10
iseeuu

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TheTalker View Post
I have a question about the guide.

"16. Restart the computer system logs on to the User account without asking for password provided there is only one user account. "

Could you please elaborate a bit? Provided there is only one user account. What does that mean exactly? There can only be one account and not two accounts? On my PC I've got the admin account and the offline Guest account.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mckillwashere View Post
Great Tutorial...
Also bad if it fell in the wrong hands....

I am going to throw this out there...
DO NOT CHANGE THE ADMINISTRATOR PASSWORD.
It will make you not able to do some things on your machine and you will hate yourself...
It was the same way in Vista.
For real? What kind of bad things? That's scary because I have a password on mine.
Hello TheTalker, you have asked a good question and mckillwashere has also given good advice. Please allow me to elaborate.

This Tutorial assumes that you cannot login to your computer. Perhaps you were short sighted and created only one user account and have forgotten the password or the password or possibly the user account has become corrupted.

Lets be clear. This Tutorial does one and only one thing. It allows you a way to enable the Default Administrator account when you do not have a user account with Admin privileges. It is not a 'crack' or 'hack' to allow someone to break in to your computer. If you have given your Default Administrator account a password, as you should if you need to secure your computer, enabling the Default Administrator account in this way will not allow anyone access to your computer without the password.

All user accounts from the Default Administrator to Limited User have a normal way to change the account password. Actually, Windows will regularly ask you to change your password unless you tell it to stop. What do you do when your account is locked and you do not have the correct password? If you use one account to erase / change the password of a second account, you will loose access to certain secured data. And if you use a bootable CD, for example to erase / change the password of a locked account, specifically the Default Administrator account, that account may become unusable. So, yes you are taking a chance. But when the alternative is to wipe the hard drive clean and start over with nothing, you may choose to take the risk.

This Tutorial allows you a way to enable the Default Administrator account. If you have secured it with a password, only you can then use the account to perform whatever maintenance or repairs are needed, like replacing a forgotten /corrupt password on one of your other accounts, giving one of your other accounts Administrative privileges, or creating a new account to replace a corrupt one. Afterwards, you should hide or 'disable' the Default Administrator account for use in the next emergency. Because if you use the Default Administrator account for everyday use and it gets corrupted, your only option is to wipe the hard drive clean and start over. I say that with the assumption that a user concerned enough to make back-ups most likely understands the risk and will avoid using the Default Administrator account for daily use.

Cheers!
Robert


My System SpecsSystem Spec
.
26 Mar 2010   #11
TheTalker

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by iseeuu View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TheTalker View Post
I have a question about the guide.

"16. Restart the computer system logs on to the User account without asking for password provided there is only one user account. "

Could you please elaborate a bit? Provided there is only one user account. What does that mean exactly? There can only be one account and not two accounts? On my PC I've got the admin account and the offline Guest account.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mckillwashere View Post
Great Tutorial...
Also bad if it fell in the wrong hands....

I am going to throw this out there...
DO NOT CHANGE THE ADMINISTRATOR PASSWORD.
It will make you not able to do some things on your machine and you will hate yourself...
It was the same way in Vista.
For real? What kind of bad things? That's scary because I have a password on mine.
Hello TheTalker, you have asked a good question and mckillwashere has also given good advice. Please allow me to elaborate.

This Tutorial assumes that you cannot login to your computer. Perhaps you were short sighted and created only one user account and have forgotten the password or the password or possibly the user account has become corrupted.

Lets be clear. This Tutorial does one and only one thing. It allows you a way to enable the Default Administrator account when you do not have a user account with Admin privileges. It is not a 'crack' or 'hack' to allow someone to break in to your computer. If you have given your Default Administrator account a password, as you should if you need to secure your computer, enabling the Default Administrator account in this way will not allow anyone access to your computer without the password.

All user accounts from the Default Administrator to Limited User have a normal way to change the account password. Actually, Windows will regularly ask you to change your password unless you tell it to stop. What do you do when your account is locked and you do not have the correct password? If you use one account to erase / change the password of a second account, you will loose access to certain secured data. And if you use a bootable CD, for example to erase / change the password of a locked account, specifically the Default Administrator account, that account may become unusable. So, yes you are taking a chance. But when the alternative is to wipe the hard drive clean and start over with nothing, you may choose to take the risk.

This Tutorial allows you a way to enable the Default Administrator account. If you have secured it with a password, only you can then use the account to perform whatever maintenance or repairs are needed, like replacing a forgotten /corrupt password on one of your other accounts, giving one of your other accounts Administrative privileges, or creating a new account to replace a corrupt one. Afterwards, you should hide or 'disable' the Default Administrator account for use in the next emergency. Because if you use the Default Administrator account for everyday use and it gets corrupted, your only option is to wipe the hard drive clean and start over. I say that with the assumption that a user concerned enough to make back-ups most likely understands the risk and will avoid using the Default Administrator account for daily use.

Cheers!
Robert
Thank you Iseeuu. Yes, Dinesh wrote a great guide!

So, in short, this guide shows users how to enable the Hidden Admin account so they can change/remove the password that they forgot, (or it was corrupted), on the other non-usable account?

However, from what I gather, if they change/remove the password from that other account then they will lose some privileges from that account? If this is the case then why even try to access that account? Why not just make a new one? Because users won't have full access to programs, etc, anymore.

Also, if the Hidden Admin account has a password could that one be corrupted? And I was told that it should not be changed once a password is made.

Thank you for writing that long post to me. I appreciate your time. Hopefully I'll get it straight!
My System SpecsSystem Spec
26 Mar 2010   #12
iseeuu

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TheTalker View Post
Thank you Iseeuu. Yes, Dinesh wrote a great guide!

So, in short, this guide shows users how to enable the Hidden Admin account so they can change/remove the password that they forgot, (or it was corrupted), on the other non-usable account?
The Hidden Admin account is the Default Administrator account and can not be deleted. It has full privileges over all other accounts, so yes you can use to make changes or repairs to other accounts as a last resort.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TheTalker View Post
However, from what I gather, if they change/remove the password from that other account then they will lose some privileges from that account?
No. This is what Microsoft says: "Resetting a local account password for a user may result in some data loss for that user if the user has encrypted data"

Reset the password for a local user account

So if you are not using "encryption" there is little danger when changing a "Limited User" account password.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TheTalker View Post
If this is the case then why even try to access that account? Why not just make a new one? Because users won't have full access to programs, etc, anymore.
Because you can copy the user profile to the new user and save all your settings.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TheTalker View Post
Also, if the Hidden Admin account has a password could that one be corrupted?
Yes! That is one reason to leave it "Hidden" and not use it.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TheTalker View Post
And I was told that it should not be changed once a password is made.
Do you believe everything you hear? When logged in as the Hidden Administrator, there is no more danger connected with changing the password than there is with any other account. (If there is EVIDENCE this statement is not correct, I would like to opportunity to verify that and correct myself.)

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TheTalker View Post
Thank you for writing that long post to me. I appreciate your time. Hopefully I'll get it straight!
You are most welcome. It is wise to gather information before you need it!

One way to protect you Hidden Administrator Account: Password Reset Disk : Windows 7 / Vista

Here is an alternative way to recover from password troubles: Password Reset : Using System Restore in Windows 7

Cheers!
Robert
My System SpecsSystem Spec
26 Mar 2010   #13
TheTalker

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by iseeuu View Post
The Hidden Admin account is the Default Administrator account and can not be deleted. It has full privileges over all other accounts, so yes you can use to make changes or repairs to other accounts as a last resort.
Okay, I understand this part.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by iseeuu View Post
No. This is what Microsoft says: "Resetting a local account password for a user may result in some data loss for that user if the user has encrypted data"

Reset the password for a local user account

So if you are not using "encryption" there is little danger when changing a "Limited User" account password.
What is encryption? I'm sorry. I know what it means but what is it referring to in this case? And does a "Limited User" account also mean me? I'm running as an Admin but not the Hidden Admin. Am I still a limited user?

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by iseeuu View Post
Because you can copy the user profile to the new user and save all your settings.
How would I go about learning how to copy the user profile over to a new user profile without losing any important privileges, etc?

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by iseeuu View Post
Yes! That is one reason to leave it "Hidden" and not use it.
Gotcha! Will do.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by iseeuu View Post
Do you believe everything you hear? When logged in as the Hidden Administrator, there is no more danger connected with changing the password than there is with any other account. (If there is EVIDENCE this statement is not correct, I would like to opportunity to verify that and correct myself.)
The information came from someone on this site and who had a good amount of rep. I could've gotten my information wrong.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by iseeuu View Post
You are most welcome. It is wise to gather information before you need it!

One way to protect you Hidden Administrator Account: System Restore Point : Create at System Startup

Here is an alternative way to recover from password troubles: Password Reset : Using System Restore in Windows 7

Cheers!
Robert
Thank you so much for the links! I will look into them.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
.

26 Mar 2010   #14
iseeuu

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TheTalker View Post
What is encryption? I'm sorry. I know what it means but what is it referring to in this case?
You use encryption, for example, to password protect a file or folder. When you use the normal password change, the permissions are passed to the new password. If you use other means to change the password, you are locked out of the password protected, or encrypted files and folders.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TheTalker View Post
And does a "Limited User" account also mean me? I'm running as an Admin but not the Hidden Admin. Am I still a limited user?
No. Running as an Admin is not the same as running as a User. If your computer is compromised, the bad guy will have Admin access to everything. I you use a "Limited User" account for every day activities and your computer is compromised, the bad guy is also limited in the bad he can do. Please check out this link: Configuring Windows 7 for a Limited User Account

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TheTalker View Post
How would I go about learning how to copy the user profile over to a new user profile without losing any important privileges, etc?
User Folders - Change Default Location

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TheTalker View Post
The information came from someone on this site and who had a good amount of rep. I could've gotten my information wrong.
Well ... perhaps you or he just misunderstood. There can be adverse consequences to forcing a password change outside of the normal Windows change of password. In those situations, the account may become unusable.

BTW I did not copy the link I wanted in my previous post. Here is the link I wanted to post: Password Reset Disk : Windows 7 / Vista

Cheers!
Robert
My System SpecsSystem Spec
27 Mar 2010   #15
TheTalker

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Thank you very much for the great information Iseeuu!

I went and made a Password Reset Disk. I put it on my USB drive and hid it away, heh heh. I like how it doesn't have to be updated even if you made a different password.

Too bad it requires the previous password to reset it but that's okay. I've got many sources of my password hidden away where only I would look.

Now, with this password reset disk made I still a question.

If I wake up one morning and the password is corrupted, (God forbid), on my computer and I can't log in would I be able to use my Password Reset Disk to make a new password without having to access the Hidden Admin account?

Thanks again!
My System SpecsSystem Spec
27 Mar 2010   #16
iseeuu

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TheTalker View Post
Thank you very much for the great information Iseeuu!

I went and made a Password Reset Disk. I put it on my USB drive and hid it away, heh heh. I like how it doesn't have to be updated even if you made a different password.

Too bad it requires the previous password to reset it but that's okay. I've got many sources of my password hidden away where only I would look.

Now, with this password reset disk made I still a question.

If I wake up one morning and the password is corrupted, (God forbid), on my computer and I can't log in would I be able to use my Password Reset Disk to make a new password without having to access the Hidden Admin account?

Thanks again!
Thank you TheTalker, I am glad you found some helpful info. Please be sure and let Bare Foot Kid know you found his tutorial helpful as well.

The reset disk works on the user account on the computer where it was created ... only. If you have created a Hidden Admin reset disk, it will only work for the Hidden Admin account on that computer. You can create password reset disks for your other accounts as well?

Cheers!
Robert
My System SpecsSystem Spec
28 Mar 2010   #17
TheTalker

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by iseeuu View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TheTalker View Post
Thank you very much for the great information Iseeuu!

I went and made a Password Reset Disk. I put it on my USB drive and hid it away, heh heh. I like how it doesn't have to be updated even if you made a different password.

Too bad it requires the previous password to reset it but that's okay. I've got many sources of my password hidden away where only I would look.

Now, with this password reset disk made I still a question.

If I wake up one morning and the password is corrupted, (God forbid), on my computer and I can't log in would I be able to use my Password Reset Disk to make a new password without having to access the Hidden Admin account?

Thanks again!
Thank you TheTalker, I am glad you found some helpful info. Please be sure and let Bare Foot Kid know you found his tutorial helpful as well.

The reset disk works on the user account on the computer where it was created ... only. If you have created a Hidden Admin reset disk, it will only work for the Hidden Admin account on that computer. You can create password reset disks for your other accounts as well?

Cheers!
Robert
Thank you.

I definitely found this guide to be useful but I hope I never have to use it, haha. That would mean I've got problems with the computer's password and all---which I wouldn't want to have happen. But I bookmarked this guide and sent it to two buddies of mine who also bookmarked it just in case we have problems or know someone who has problems and needs help.

I know that the password reset disk can only be used on this computer and on for this user account. But my question is this: If this account ever has a problem with it's password to where I can't get in will I be able to use the password reset disk to reset the password instead of needing to access the Hidden Admin account?
My System SpecsSystem Spec
28 Mar 2010   #18
iseeuu

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TheTalker View Post
But my question is this: If this account ever has a problem with it's password to where I can't get in will I be able to use the password reset disk to reset the password instead of needing to access the Hidden Admin account?
Yes. As a matter of fact, it is safer and would be a better choice to use a reset disk instead of forcing a password change from a different account.

Cheers!
Robert
My System SpecsSystem Spec
28 Mar 2010   #19
TheTalker

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by iseeuu View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TheTalker View Post
But my question is this: If this account ever has a problem with it's password to where I can't get in will I be able to use the password reset disk to reset the password instead of needing to access the Hidden Admin account?
Yes. As a matter of fact, it is safer and would be a better choice to use a reset disk instead of forcing a password change from a different account.

Cheers!
Robert
I knew it would be safer but will it work in all situations? Like, will resetting the password work even if the current password is corrupted?
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Reply

 User Account Password - Change from WinRE




Thread Tools




Similar help and support threads
Thread Forum
User Account Password - Change
How to Change the Password for Your or Another User Account in Windows 7 This will show you how to change the password for either your user account, or for another user account through the Control Panel in Windows 7 and Vista.If you change the password of a user account that is automatically...
Tutorials
User account changed into a guest account, how can I change it back
So this is probably the strangest problem I have ever encountered with Windows 7. About two or three months ago, I noticed that my user account had suddenly changed into a guest account. I get prompted for an administrator password when trying to do any tasks that require administrator privilege....
General Discussion
can't create user account password
After migrating to new windows 7 pc from windows XP using Easy Transfer I am refused the addition of a main user log on p/w. I suspect it may be because I didn't set a password before the transfer. Help!:confused:
General Discussion
I need help with user account password
Hello, I am new to this forum and I am hoping that someone here can help me with the problem I am having on one of my laptops. I bought a laptop for my daughter awhile back. I set up a user account as the administrator being me. The issue I am having is the admn password keeps expiring. So I have...
General Discussion
Change User Account Password Settings?
Every time I open my laptop, I have to put in my password even when it hasn't been shut down. Is there a way to set it up where the only time I have to put in the password is after I've shut down or restarted it instead of putting it in after it's simply been closed? Or will I just have to...
System Security
Administrator Password In User Account
Hi I have a laptop running Windows 7 where I have an administrator account and a user account set up (not the Windows 7 guest account). When someone logs onUo the User account there are two *.exe files which do not run without requesting administrator passwords to run. How do I set these files...
General Discussion


Our Sites

Site Links

About Us

Find Us

Windows 7 Forums is an independent web site and has not been authorized, sponsored, or otherwise approved by Microsoft Corporation. "Windows 7" and related materials are trademarks of Microsoft Corp.

Designer Media Ltd

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:29.
Twitter Facebook Google+ Seven Forums iOS App Seven Forums Android App