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Windows 7: Imaging with free Macrium

27 Mar 2015   #1310
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18.1 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
I'm completely missing something here (or I'm just not awake yet). Why would anyone not want to restore the MBR? When I image my boot drive or partition (depending on the machine), I image the C: and MBR together as one image so, when I do a restore, I restore both. It's not like the tiny, little MBR is going to noticeably add to imaging and restoration times.
Once I had an OS image with a dodgy MBR saved in it.
The MBR had somehow become corrupted between imaging one of my 3 operating system (XP, W7 & LM) and the others.

You can imagine my confusion when I was testing my PC with the restored images, as the order they were restored affected whether or not my PC would boot.


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27 Mar 2015   #1311
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
I'm completely missing something here (or I'm just not awake yet). Why would anyone not want to restore the MBR? When I image my boot drive or partition (depending on the machine), I image the C: and MBR together as one image so, when I do a restore, I restore both. It's not like the tiny, little MBR is going to noticeably add to imaging and restoration times.
Once I had an OS image with a dodgy MBR saved in it.
The MBR had somehow become corrupted between imaging one of my 3 operating system (XP, W7 & LM) and the others.

You can imagine my confusion when I was testing my PC with the restored images, as the order they were restored affected whether or not my PC would boot.
Any OS image can be of a corrupted OS. That's why it's a good idea to keep several images so you can go back until you get a good one.
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27 Mar 2015   #1312
kado897

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Service Pack 1
 
 

I agree. It's the same with the 100MB System partition. Why wouldn't you backup and restore along with C.
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27 Mar 2015   #1313
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
I'm completely missing something here (or I'm just not awake yet). Why would anyone not want to restore the MBR? When I image my boot drive or partition (depending on the machine), I image the C: and MBR together as one image so, when I do a restore, I restore both. It's not like the tiny, little MBR is going to noticeably add to imaging and restoration times.
When you restore a data partition, there is really no need to restore the MBR.
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27 Mar 2015   #1314
LaurieD227

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit SP 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
I'm completely missing something here (or I'm just not awake yet). Why would anyone not want to restore the MBR? When I image my boot drive or partition (depending on the machine), I image the C: and MBR together as one image so, when I do a restore, I restore both. It's not like the tiny, little MBR is going to noticeably add to imaging and restoration times.
Yes, if I am imaging any or all system partitions yes I would absolutely restore the MBR

I'm trying to work with a data partition that as far as I know does not contain an MBR, I was afraid that I might accidentally add an MBR here that I didn't want to have.
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27 Mar 2015   #1315
LaurieD227

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit SP 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DavidE View Post
Looks like whs is offline right now, so i'll try and help.
When you click on Next in your screen print you'll get to the window where you can click on Advanced Options, and there choose to not restore the MBR.
The default is to restore the MBR, you have to select Do not replace.

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That's the piece I was missing - I just didn't see that tiny link at the bottom of the Window.

Thanks!!
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27 Mar 2015   #1316
LaurieD227

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit SP 1
 
 

Okay, I completed testing my use of Macrium
- created test image
- restored test image
- found the option for restoring the MBR (thanks, DavidE)

By the way, Wolfgang, your Macrium WinPE ISO performed perfectly as far as I can tell - thanks again!!
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27 Mar 2015   #1317
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by LaurieD227 View Post
Okay, I completed testing my use of Macrium
- created test image
- restored test image
- found the option for restoring the MBR (thanks, DavidE)

By the way, Wolfgang, your Macrium WinPE ISO performed perfectly as far as I can tell - thanks again!!
I am glad that worked out for you including the WinPE from my OneDrive.

Quote:
I'm trying to work with a data partition that as far as I know does not contain an MBR
Partitions do not contain a MBR. The MBR is a feature of the disk and sits in the first 512 bytes on the disk. It's main purpose is to point to the active partition on the disk which contains the bootmgr.

The boot sequence is BIOS > MBR > bootmgr in active partition > OS
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27 Mar 2015   #1318
LaurieD227

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit SP 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
Partitions do not contain a MBR. The MBR is a feature of the disk and sits in the first 512 bytes on the disk. It's main purpose is to point to the active partition on the disk which contains the bootmgr.

The boot sequence is BIOS > MBR > bootmgr in active partition > OS

Well, given the fun I've been having with system files showing up on a data partition, I wasn't sure what would happen if I said 'restore MBR.'

Does this mean that the restoral of my F Partition would have restored the MBR on the physical drive that contains it if I said Yes to that option?

Also, now that all 3 partitions on the same physical drive have been converted from Primary Partitions to Logical Drives (so now my C Drive is the only Active partition or drive), would Macrium still offer to restore the MBR when I restore any of them?
(I assume the answer is Yes because the MBR relates to the physical drive not the specific logical drive within the extended partition, but I want to be sure I understand.)
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27 Mar 2015   #1319
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18.1 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Any OS image can be of a corrupted OS. That's why it's a good idea to keep several images so you can go back until you get a good one.
Sure.

I do have backups of backup of my personal data, but these were new images that I had just created so that I could swap my setup to a new HDD.
Once my new HDD was setup I was going to create a new set of images.

In this case the actual data was OK, just not the MBR section (that section was OK on the other 2 OS images).

Once I figured out which image had the dodgy MBR, I just deselected the "Restore MBR" option on that image.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
When you restore a data partition, there is really no need to restore the MBR.
Agreed.

Also if you are imaging to a new HDD (with a different layout) you don't want to replace the new MBR with an old one.
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